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Can today's pupils cope with old-school values?
The Daily Telegraph ^ | July 25, 2003

Posted on 07/24/2003 7:26:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

A television experiment has recreated a state boarding establishment to put 1950s educational standards to the test. Cassandra Jardine reports

On Monday, 30 pupils and nine teachers went back to school as it was in the 1950s. Installed at a state boarding establishment, they are spending four weeks in a world of discipline and academic endeavour.

The 16-year-olds are now approaching the end of their first week in eerily quiet classrooms where they sit at old-fashioned desks with flap-top lids and inkwells. A matron inspects ears for dirt and beds for hospital corners, and a fearsome headmaster is ready to discipline anyone who uses bad language.

By now, the pupils will probably be used to the television cameras that are following them around as well as eagerly making video diaries about the horrors of stodgy food, writing lines, taking cold dips and multiplying in old money.

They have been sequestered for a Channel 4 experiment - called That'll Teach 'Em - which, among other things, will try to establish whether academic standards have fallen during the past 50 years.

So, fresh from taking their GCSEs, the pupils will be prepared for O-levels in English, history and maths. The English set texts will be Chaucer's Prologue to The Canterbury Tales, and Romeo and Juliet. Maths will require complicated mental arithmetic, history will focus on the British Empire.

They will learn other subjects, too, but not in the way they are taught now. French involves learning the pluperfect rather than ordering a baguette, and in science they are dissecting a rat.

Whatever ammunition this provides to the debates about dumbing down or standards of behaviour, the fascination will lie in the pupils' reactions to the good old/bad old days when the cane was an ever-present threat and half a mark was taken off exam papers for each spelling mistake.

Will the girls like being given deportment lessons and told that teaching, nursing or secretarial work is the limit of their career prospects? How will boys take the news that self-abuse is damaging?

The series producer, Simon Rockell, has devised ways to distress the pupils. His production office is full of instruments of torture. Piles of Ridout's English Today sit next to maths textbooks. He has assembled gowns, hard lavatory paper, Spam fritters, slide rules, thick uniforms, Army beds and books of Psalms.

"The maths looks impossible, and I think they'll find it hard having to learn great chunks of text for the English paper," says Rockell, who taught history for nine years before switching to a career in television.

"But we aren't stopping there. We are recreating the whole school world - the religion, the games, the food." No effort has been spared to make the atmosphere authentic.

But there will be no return to corporal punishment - much to the regret of Andrew McTavish, who was a pupil at the school in the no-carpet, no-curtains 1950s, and is now back there as headmaster.

He remembers fondly the day when the entire school - all 850 boys - was given two strokes of the cane after a snowball broke a window. "We didn't mind. When, at assembly, the headmaster referred to the 'exercise' he had had, a great cheer went up. But, don't worry, there will be plenty of fear."

The transformation of the school - which is not being named until transmission - serves as a reminder of how much education has changed over half a century. Rockell dates the shift from the launch of Sputnik in l957.

In his view, this sent a tremor of fear through the educational establishment: if Russia was producing such amazing technology, the time had come to open up the system in which the 80 per cent of the population who failed the 11-plus was not allowed to take public exams.

In came the comprehensive ideal and a child-centred, socially-inclusive philosophy. Teachers became part-time social workers, power was handed over to the pupils and out went Christian-only assemblies, demeaning punishments, O-levels and, some say, educational standards.

Rather unfortunately, Rockell's own written proposal for the series says: "There is no doubt that standards in the use of English has [sic] fallen."

To make a valid comparison between then and now, the producers chose pupils who were predicted to get As and Bs in their GCSEs. That puts them in the top 30 per cent of their age group, roughly comparable with a grammar school's intake. Socially, however, they will be far more diverse than their counterparts 50 years ago.

The children are unlikely to take to the regime, says Rockell, who is also working as the history master. They are too used to making their own decisions, following their personal enthusiasms, voicing opinions and behaving pretty much as they choose, he says.

"I told them to take the worst scenario and double it. This will be tough love, and they will have to look after themselves - though there will be a vicar." Rockell, 40, who was educated at Lancing and has taught in both private and comprehensive schools, believes that education today is more "enlightened".

"Kids today are better equipped for more independent work. They aren't spoon-fed, as I was, and they can assess information rather than store it. GCSEs do not stretch the top five to 10 per cent, but the pay-off is that education is more democratic."

Anyway, he says, "do we have to be so rigid about grammar now that we have texting and emailing?" Yet, in some ways, he is a traditionalist who prefers to employ "people with good solid degrees in English and history from good solid universities", and expects to send his daughter to a private secondary school.

Mr McTavish, by contrast, is "a suitable dinosaur" for the project. Recent educational trends are "misguided", he says. The 39 years he has spent teaching and running grammar schools have convinced him that the old system "brings out the best in all pupils".

He likes didactic teaching, quiet in the classroom and history taught by dates rather than topics. "I have never had any discipline problems in my schools," he says. "Sarcasm was the very oil of most classrooms - it was like a physical flick around the ear. It didn't do any harm and I think it is going to come back."

Rockell is eager to find out how this generation takes to dictation and learning by heart. "Will they say they are being more stretched in maths? Will they like the history of great men and great events, or will they say they are bored?" Whatever they think, they will not be encouraged to express it in class.

• That'll Teach 'Em begins on Aug 5 on Channel 4 and will run for five weeks


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: education; experiment; oldschool; uk

1 posted on 07/24/2003 7:26:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
I was born in 1952 and never experienced anything like that.

Further, my mother was born in 1935, and didn't either.

In other words, it's made up.
2 posted on 07/24/2003 7:35:45 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
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To: bruinbirdman

3 posted on 07/24/2003 7:41:07 PM PDT by RJayneJ (To see pictures of Jayne's quilt: http://bulldogbulletin.lhhosting.com/page50.htm)
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To: bruinbirdman
"If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding!"

"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!"

4 posted on 07/24/2003 7:44:37 PM PDT by yooper
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To: CobaltBlue
I graduated from a boarding school in 1964, and,believe me, this is accurate!!
5 posted on 07/24/2003 7:44:41 PM PDT by madrastex
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To: CobaltBlue
YOU TELLING ME THE KIDS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN SOMETHING!!!!
6 posted on 07/24/2003 7:46:02 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: CobaltBlue
My aren't you the expert. I was born in 1961 and spent 6th grade at a U.S. private school which, while not as strict as this one, did drill us endlessly on grammar and diagramming sentences, and made us line up for inspection at the end of each day, to make sure all our uniforms were tidy with shirts tucked in, before we boarded buses for home. There was a formal system of demerits, and one kid was expelled mid-year after accumulating too many (he never did anything more serious than make faux farting noises during class).

My boss' daughter, now an undergraduate at the Univ. of Chicago, spent 7th and 8th grade at a very strict New England boarding school. My favorite rule was the strictly enforced "no going to the bathroom after lights out". "After the first few days, they all learn not to drink too much near bedtime", my boss explained.

My uncle was a principal at a public high school in Florida in the 1940s and 1950s, and used a wooden paddle regularly on his male students. It seemed to be the main thing they remembered him for, as he had a sizeable collection of paddles with flattering inscriptions, received as gifts from reunion classes.
7 posted on 07/24/2003 7:54:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: bruinbirdman
MUCH better education back then!! No inkwells in any desks that I ever saw. They learned, they had respect for all authority, and they had good morals.
8 posted on 07/24/2003 7:57:40 PM PDT by potlatch (If you want breakfast in bed - - - sleep in the kitchen!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
>> My favorite rule was the strictly enforced "no going to the bathroom after lights out".<<

Errrrr . . . . thanks for sharing?

>>My uncle . . . . used a wooden paddle regularly on his male students. It seemed to be the main thing they remembered him for, as he had a sizeable collection of paddles with flattering inscriptions, received as gifts from reunion classes. <<

No, really, that's enough.

*Retch.*
9 posted on 07/24/2003 7:58:30 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
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To: CobaltBlue
This is from england.
10 posted on 07/24/2003 8:00:14 PM PDT by CONSERVE
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To: CONSERVE
>>This is from england.<<

Apparently.

The Brits derive entirely too much pleasure from flogging underaged male bottoms. I could say more but won't.
11 posted on 07/24/2003 8:02:00 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Sounds good to me!!!!
12 posted on 07/24/2003 8:03:32 PM PDT by Exit148 ($45,89 from the Loose Change Club for the current Freepathon. Only $3.83/week.)
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To: bruinbirdman
When will someone admit that the demise of our public schools happened with the end of corporal punishment.

We got "shots", as they were called, in the late 70's - early 80's regularly.

For general punishment (leaving campus, smoking outside of the smoking areas, skipping class, etc.), you were given the choice of running 5 miles w/ the Assistant Principal or one shot.

Every male teacher had a paddle, and if you acted up in class, you got one - right on the ass, in front of the entire class. If you were STUPID, you acted up in Gym or Shop class. Those guys hit hard, and prided themselves on their weapons. One even had raised, dried Elmer's Glue that said "Sweet Shop Special" in reverse. Once he hit you, he would allow you to go to the locker room to view his art on your ass in the mirror.

Our small school produced some pretty damn smart people, including Larry Lessig (who was such a geek that he was never in trouble), and countless others that have gone on to successful, profitable lives.

Without fear of punishment, there can be no order.

13 posted on 07/24/2003 8:19:04 PM PDT by FlJoePa
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To: bruinbirdman
He remembers fondly the day when the entire school - all 850 boys - was given two strokes of the cane after a snowball broke a window. "We didn't mind. When, at assembly, the headmaster referred to the 'exercise' he had had, a great cheer went up. But, don't worry, there will be plenty of fear."

Damn! If I didn't do anything and was about to get canned, I'd likely give it right back.

14 posted on 07/24/2003 8:21:51 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("If it feels good, Do It! Don't Think Twice!" - Lynyrd Skynyrd)
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To: FlJoePa
"When will someone admit that the demise of our public schools happened with the end of corporal punishment."

The decline of public education coincides with the unionization of public servants.

yitbos

15 posted on 07/24/2003 8:37:41 PM PDT by bruinbirdman (Joe McCarthy was right)
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