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The Skinny on Fat (The Truth About Obesity, Part 2)
Tech Central Station ^ | July 16, 2003 | Sandy Szwarc

Posted on 07/16/2003 11:57:41 AM PDT by Timesink

Edited on 07/22/2003 2:46:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A host of sinful foods have been demonized as the root of obesity and poor health of American adults and children. Fast food restaurants have been sued, accused of contributing to customers' obesity because their food tastes too good and they tempt us by advertising. Taxes are being proposed on foods deemed fattening or bad for us, namely, anything with meat or fat, that is fried or processed or that is sweet.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: fat; obesity
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To: caisson71
Too true! I tried many fad diets only to find that all but one failed to reduce fat. The one I am on now chopped 20 pounds off the obese bod in a month and the weight is still going down. Whatever and however it does the job, I don't care because my recent blood test confirmed it has also made my blood components go in the right directions for the first time in years.

As for genetics, I believe that is true, My whole family runs to obesity, and most died of heart diseases and digestive problems. I often though it had to do with old fashioned Danish cooking--lots of butter, fried meats and taters plus farm fresh eggs and heavenly desserts.

241 posted on 07/18/2003 9:13:06 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Pseudo conservatives are everywhere.)
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To: najida
Is Free Republic classified as a video game? Gee, I hope not! I'm addicted and am seeking help. Any recommendations?
242 posted on 07/18/2003 9:18:16 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Pseudo conservatives are everywhere.)
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To: najida; Xenalyte
I am just curious about his bone density though.

I fell off my roof (about a 16 foot drop) last December putting up Christmas lights, and didn't break or sprain a thing.

My wife tells me I have a thick skull, and women are always right. So, there you are.

243 posted on 07/18/2003 9:24:31 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
You're well trained, you are. (That, or your wife is on FR too.)
244 posted on 07/18/2003 9:25:39 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: aruanan; Aquinasfan; Xenalyte; Allegra
Moreover, the Atkins-Taubes thesis of "fat won't make you fat" encourages obesity in a similar way: It offers carte blanche for consuming limitless calories, only this time swapping carbohydrates for fat.

This is a lie so blatant that it is undeniable proof that Mr. Fumento is either completely ignorant of the subject matter or has a personal vendetta against the late Dr. Atkins. The text of Atkins's book makes it quite clear that you are not allowed "limitless calories" by any stretch of the imagination. The reader is specifically told to try to keep their caloric intake within "normal" daily limits as generaly defined by the mainstream medical community (~1500-2000 calories/day), and that your outlook at every meal should be "eat until you are satisfied, not until you are 'full' or 'stuffed.'"

The only person with the Jayson Blair problem here is Fumento.

245 posted on 07/18/2003 9:26:58 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
That's not the only problem Mr. Fumento has.
246 posted on 07/18/2003 9:28:09 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: aruanan; Aquinasfan; Xenalyte; Allegra
Fumento is also lying through his teeth when he implies that the Atkins plan claims to require no exercise. Atkins sure as hell never made such a claim; he spent his entire life saying the exact opposite: That you WILL ULTIMATELY FAIL if you don't get off your ass.
247 posted on 07/18/2003 9:30:23 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Xenalyte
That's not the only problem Mr. Fumento has.

What are his others? I missed a lot of this thread.

248 posted on 07/18/2003 9:31:11 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Steve Eisenberg
how do you explain that diabetes is so much more prevalent precisely when people ARE going on reducing diets so often?

Most of the diets demand high amounts of carbohydrate, which spikes insulin and leads to weight gain.

249 posted on 07/18/2003 9:32:48 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Timesink; Aquinasfan; Xenalyte; Allegra
Timesink, Timesink, Timesink. Please, please actually read what was said. Fumento made a distinction between what Atkins said and what Taubes cum Atkins said.
250 posted on 07/18/2003 9:36:05 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
You know what? If I drop dead tomorrow, I've felt better the last six years without all the carbs than I have at any other time in my life.

For me, my blood tests, treadmill tests, and energy levels tell me all I need to know about how "healthy" Atkins has been. For me.

If pointy-heads at medical institutes can't quite let go of their outdated notions of the food pyramid, I could care less.

Atkins works for me, and has, for the last six years. It's also worked for a lot of other people.

There's a modified version of Atkins that has gained a lot of interest, called the "Palm Beach Diet." The doctor who wrote it is simply piggybacking on Atkins' second wind, with a tweak here and there.

Whatever. Cut the carbs and start living and loving life.

251 posted on 07/18/2003 9:49:07 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Timesink
He's wrong about SARS here.

He's wrong about weight here.

He's wrong about pesticides here.

I did a Google search on "fumento wrong" and came up with 11 pages of it.
252 posted on 07/18/2003 9:52:02 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: mhking
My uncle in Detroit is on Atkins, and looks great; my in-laws are on Weight Watchers and both look wonderful, and my brother in Chicago has been on Weight Watchers for a short time and has noticed a difference. I'm thinking the best bet is to find the proper combination that will re-jumpstart my metabolism (which was considerable in my college days) and roll on from there.

Since so many in this thread have mentioned various diet companies such as WW, Jenny Craig, etc, I'd just like to point out that all of these outfits radically change their entire overall weight-loss strategies on a regular basis, as newer research becomes available for them to adopt. Someone who was one WW, Jenny Craig, etc, fifteen years ago wouldn't even recognize their 2003 weight-loss programs.

Needless to say, a lot of those adaptations are in the "lower carb" direction, though many are also expanding to offer several wildly different plans from which to choose, depending on your own personal circumstances, health problems, etc.

253 posted on 07/18/2003 9:52:47 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Bump for later
254 posted on 07/18/2003 9:55:37 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: k omalley
I tried the Dean Ornish plan for three months and the results were dreadful. My cholesterol dropped by 20 points and the entire loss was HDL(good cholesterol). I didn't loose any weight but I felt like I was starving all the time.

Ornish is Satan, IMHO, unless you suffer from very specific medical conditions (usually a bad heart).

255 posted on 07/18/2003 9:56:35 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: sinkspur
Most Americans don't have time to work out two hours a day, and they won't, no matter what anybody says.

That's what really pisses me off about so many holier-than-thou types on this subject (not all, just the ones I'm about to describe). People who have the metabolism of a hummingbird have no right telling others with the metabolism of a hibernating bear to sacrifice AT ALL. If the overweight persons wants to make that sacrifice, good for him or her. But how DARE those who need not do, order others to do, simply to fit THEIR anti-fat bigotry?

256 posted on 07/18/2003 10:02:46 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: najida; Xenalyte; Aquinasfan; Allegra; upchuck; willieroe; Petronski; Servant of the Nine; ...
http://www.atkinsdietalert.org/

It's really not in your best interests, najida, to post links to wildly left-wing political organizations as "proof" that Atkins doesn't work. Here's what consumerfreedom.org has to say about the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine:

Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Who would guess that a fanatical animal rights group could pass itself off as a physicians’ organization concerned with health issues? Judging by its stated positions, PCRM’s goals are to abolish the use of animals as food (including milk, eggs, and other animal products) and to eliminate the use of animals in scientific experiments. The group furthers its mission by continuously misinforming the American public about animal research and providing potentially dangerous dietary recommendations. The American Medical Association has rightly labeled PCRM “an animal rights front organization.”

While PCRM claims to be primarily a network of doctors, the group’s own literature shows that physicians make up only 5% of its membership. Furthermore, the group’s member physicians represent less than 0.5% of America’s doctors. Far from being an unbiased source of health guidance, PCRM has asserted itself as a home for anti-meat, pro-vegan nutritionists who are committed to removing beef, dairy, poultry, and other animal products from our diets for good.


257 posted on 07/18/2003 10:07:05 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Yowch!
258 posted on 07/18/2003 10:11:40 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: aruanan; Aquinasfan; Xenalyte; Allegra
Timesink, Timesink, Timesink. Please, please actually read what was said. Fumento made a distinction between what Atkins said and what Taubes cum Atkins said.

It is Fumento that is intentionally conflating Taubes's and Atkins's separate statements in order to make the ATKINS DIET ALONE look bad. Fumento could have separated Taubes's claims (if those are indeed Taubes's claims; I haven't read the Times article since it was originally published), but he intentionally chose not to because it would have weaked his Atkins-is-evil argument. The blame is entirely Fumento's.

If Reaven was misquoted or quoted out of context, then boo on Taubes. But it doesn't alter the fact that Fumento is doing the same thing himself on a far more massive scale. There IS NO "Atkins-Taubes Thesis." There is the Atkins Thesis, and whatever Taubes spun from it. To conflate the two is to lie.

259 posted on 07/18/2003 10:27:00 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Xenalyte

PART III OF THIS THREAD IS NOW LIVE (The Diet Problem)


260 posted on 07/18/2003 10:28:12 AM PDT by Timesink
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