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IRAQ: Boiling Mad Over Bush - (The left is now up in arms about one sentence of SOTU)
The Washington Post ^ | Friday, July 11, 2003; 8:39 AM | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 07/12/2003 12:39:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The left is now up in arms about one sentence in George Bush's last State of the Union speech.

The White House's belated admission that the president relied on bum information in accusing Iraq of trying to buy uranium from Africa for a nuclear-weapons program has crystallized all the doubts and resentment that has been building in the liberal psyche.

Some conservatives have their own problems with the prez, as we'll see in a moment. But in the bluest of blue-state precincts, it's hard to tell which emotion is stronger: disgust with Dubya or anger at the American public for failing to share their outrage.

The administration has done its best to minimize the uranium story, confirming it to the New York Times and Washington Post but saying nothing in advance of the network evening newscasts. Bush ducked the question when reporters on the Africa trip asked about it, instead repeating his belief that the war in Iraq was worth it and that those elusive WMDs will eventually be found.

How, critics wonder, can the commander-in-chief be so cavalier about this bogus bit of intelligence (which the press already knew about but which the White House had previously greeted with silence)? What if Clinton had done this? Where's the accountability? Where's the outrage?

No wonder that John Kerry, Bob Graham and Howard Dean were out there yesterday beating up Bush over Iraq, and that Colin Powell was playing defense with a news conference and a Larry King drop-by.

Bush is driving the Democrats and the liberals crazy. They don't understand why everyone doesn't see what they see. It's not so much that they want to refight the war over the war -- some supporting toppling Saddam -- but this is obviously an opening they can use to tarnish the president's image on a national security issue. The problem is, most folks don't seem to care.

Michael Tomasky channels the liberal complaints in American Prospect:

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; democrats; desperation; howardkurtz; iraq; looneyleft; wmd
This is a long article , mostly regarding Bush!
1 posted on 07/12/2003 12:39:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: All
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2 posted on 07/12/2003 12:42:48 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Would someone out there please confront the "who and where" the forged documents came from?? and whether it was a deliberate plant (which it obviously was).
3 posted on 07/12/2003 12:47:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
Not I, time to hit the sack!
4 posted on 07/12/2003 12:50:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Iran Mullahs will feel the heat from our Iraq victory!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And so, once again, we are confronted with the same exasperating question: What has to happen to make the American people care about the lies told to get us into this war? . . .

These idiots forgot 9/11. We don't. Neither does the president. We are war and the left continues sleep walking.

5 posted on 07/12/2003 12:51:31 AM PDT by zarf (fuggetaboutit)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Saddam and Iraw together violated their terms of the surrender at the end of hositilities in Gulf War I; the bottom line is we enforced the sanctions and then the terms of the first conflict.
6 posted on 07/12/2003 12:53:05 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Where was the Left's attitude about people in power playing fast & loose with the truth from 1/20/1993 - 1/20/2001?


7 posted on 07/12/2003 12:59:23 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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To: Jumper
I agree..
8 posted on 07/12/2003 12:59:27 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Jumper
This is what you do when you stand for nothing. The fools don`t understand that the more they make this a big deal, the more they will fall when we finally find the WMDs, and everybody should know we will.
9 posted on 07/12/2003 1:04:18 AM PDT by bybybill (first the public employees, next the fish and, finally, the children)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bush is driving the Democrats and the liberals crazy. They don't understand why everyone doesn't see what they see.

I felt that way about Clinton from 1992-2000. From adultary, the travel office, FBI files, Whitewater, Vince Foster, Somalia, Waco, etcetera...

I even became angry at the American public because they gave Clinton high job approval numbers while all this stuff was going on.

It is incredible how a liberal and a conservative can see the same thing and have completely opposite opinions. Even more amazing is how the center care nothing about both opinions.

Ah Well. Here is to hoping the 'rats endure 2 terms of Dubya while feeling as rotten and perplexed as I did for 2 terms of Slick Willie.

10 posted on 07/12/2003 1:12:06 AM PDT by Once-Ler (I vote Dubya)
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To: zarf; All
These idiots forgot 9/11. We don't. Neither does the president. We are war and the left continues sleep walking.

Exactly... Never Forget:

-Where It's 9-11 All the Time...--

11 posted on 07/12/2003 1:12:11 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's not so much that they want to refight the war over the war -- some supporting toppling Saddam -- but this is obviously an opening they can use to tarnish the president's image on a national security issue. The problem is, most folks don't seem to care.

Correct, they don't. It's really quite simple. Even the Democrats should be able to get it if they would put their pathological hatred of Bush aside for a minute.

The American people would rather be safe than sorry. They are much happier with Saddam gone and no WMDs found, than with Saddam in power and nobody knowing what he has. That's all.

13 posted on 07/12/2003 1:30:17 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Anyone interested in this story should take a look at this story.
14 posted on 07/12/2003 2:52:24 AM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Dem logic: If Pres. Bush had not included that sentence in his speech, Sadaam wasn't so bad after all.
15 posted on 07/12/2003 4:12:54 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Loyal Buckeye
Not only that but the current bunch who are so upset about that line from the SotU (which to be perfectly honest I don't even remember) lauded the stainmaker's "it depends on what the meaning of is is" as a great feat of logic.
16 posted on 07/12/2003 5:07:33 AM PDT by Vesuvian
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I've been searching high and low and just can't find all those dems who were endlessly bashing the first President Bush for not going all the way to Baghdad.

Suddenly they are bashing this President Bush for going all the way to Baghdad.

The question needs to be asked........are these lefties all insane?

17 posted on 07/12/2003 5:17:01 AM PDT by OldFriend ((BUSH/CHENEY 2004))
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To: OldFriend
Every last one of them are certifiable looney bin material!
18 posted on 07/12/2003 5:52:55 AM PDT by winker
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To: winker
The crazies are being led down the path by our leftist media.
19 posted on 07/12/2003 6:00:10 AM PDT by OldFriend ((BUSH/CHENEY 2004))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
How, critics wonder, can the commander-in-chief be so cavalier about this bogus bit of intelligence (which the press already knew about but which the White House had previously greeted with silence)? What if Clinton had done this? Where's the accountability? Where's the outrage?

Where was the outrage over Clinton's lies about the mass graves that were supposed to be in Kosovo?

Where are the bodies?
Report: Few 'mass graves' found thus far in Kosovo

By Jon E. Dougherty
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
October 20, 1999

An independent intelligence report issued by a U.S.-based firm says that ethnic Albanians "numbering only in the hundreds" have been found in mass graves after four months of investigation by, among others, the FBI.

The Stratfor report calls into question the validity of claims made by NATO and the Clinton administration as justification for launching an air war against Yugoslavia that ultimately led to renewed political tensions with Russia, and a bombed Chinese embassy.

"During its four-month war against Yugoslavia, NATO argued that Kosovo was a land wracked by mass murder," said the report. "Official estimates indicated that some 10,000 ethnic Albanians were killed in a Serb rampage of ethnic cleansing."

"Yet four months into an international investigation bodies numbering only in the hundreds have been exhumed," the report said, with the FBI having found "fewer than 200."

"Piecing together the evidence, it appears that the number of civilian ethnic Albanians killed is far less than was claimed," said the report.

The report noted that "new evidence could invalidate this view," but so far nowhere near the number of Albanians reported killed by Serb troops has "materialized on the scale used to justify the war." The report concluded the new evidence "could have serious foreign policy and political implications for NATO and alliance governments."

The U.S. State Department did not return phone calls seeking comment on the report. But Dave Miller, a spokesman for European affairs at the FBI, told WorldNetDaily the investigation in Kosovo consisted only of "laboratory support for the International Criminal Tribunal (ICT)."

"They requested that we look at a finite number of locations, and within those locations there were 124 bodies -- 100 of which have been identified" so far, he said. "The FBI was not sent there to conduct mass grave exhumations or to locate and find the missing populace of Kosovo." He added that the FBI's role was to "prove the charges contained in the ICT indictment."

The Stratfor report admitted that "the tribunal's primary aim is not to find all the reported dead. Instead, its investigators are gathering evidence to prosecute war criminals for four offenses: Grave breaches of the Geneva Convention, violations of the laws of war, genocide, and crimes against humanity."

"The tribunal believes that it will, however, be able to produce an accurate death count in the future, although it will not say when," according to Stratfor. However, they noted, "A progress report may be released in late October, according to tribunal spokesman Paul Risley."

Controversy about the actual numbers of ethnic Albanians killed by Serbian troops began on Oct. 11, when the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Republic of Yugoslavia reported that the Trepca mines in Kosovo, where 700 murdered ethnic Albanians were reportedly hidden, contained no bodies. "Three days later," the report said, "the U.S. Defense Department released its review of the Kosovo conflict, saying that NATO's war was a reaction to the ethnic cleansing campaign by Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic." The Defense Department report called Milosevic's campaign "a brutal means to end the crisis on his terms."

However, the tribunal's findings and the Defense Department's assertion served to raise even more concerns about the actual number of "cleansed" Albanians.

"Four months after the war and the introduction of forensic teams from many countries, precisely how many bodies of murdered ethnic Albanians have been found?" Stratfor questioned. "This is not an exercise in the macabre, but a reasonable question, given the explicit aims of NATO in the war, and the claims the alliance made on the magnitude of Serbian war crimes."

"Indeed, the central justification for war was that only intervention would prevent the slaughter of Kosovo's ethnic Albanian population," Stratfor said, echoing policy statements issued by the Clinton administration and NATO.

On March 22, Stratfor reported, "British Prime Minister Tony Blair told the House of Commons, 'We must act to save thousands of innocent men, women and children from humanitarian catastrophe, from death, barbarism and ethnic cleansing by a brutal dictatorship.'" The following day, when the NATO-led air strikes began, President Clinton told reporters, "What we are trying to do is to limit his (Milosevic's) ability to win a military victory and engage in ethnic cleansing and slaughter innocent people and to do everything we can to induce him to take this peace agreement."

In March, State Department spokesman James Rubin told reporters that NATO "did not need to prove that the Serbs were carrying out a policy of genocide because it was clear that crimes against humanity were being committed," said the Stratfor report. In June immediately following the end of the war, Clinton "again invoked the term, saying, 'NATO stopped deliberate, systematic efforts at ethnic cleansing and genocide.'"

Since the war's end, Stratfor said, claims of Albanian dead have "swollen."

Before and during the conflict, though, Yugoslavia repeatedly denied that mass murder was occurring. Instead, Belgrade argued that the Kosovo Liberation Army falsified claims of mass murder in order to justify NATO intervention and the secession of Kosovo from Serbia. But "NATO rejected Belgrade's argument out of hand," said Stratfor.

"The question of the truth or falsehood of the claims of mass murder is much more than a matter of merely historical interest," concluded the report. "It cuts to the heart of the war -- and NATO's current peacekeeping mission in Kosovo."

"Certainly, there was a massive movement of Albanian refugees, but that alone was not the alliance's justification for war," said Stratfor.

In addition to questioning the number of ethnic Albanians allegedly killed by Serb forces, the report calls into dispute the methodology NATO and the U.S. used to determine that some 17,000 people who previously lived in Kosovo are still missing.

"There are undoubtedly many (Kosovar residents) missing," said the report, "but it is unclear whether these people are dead, in Serbian prisons -- official estimates vary widely -- or whether they have taken refuge in other countries."

So far tribunal investigators are a little more than a quarter of the way through investigating some 400 reported mass gravesites.

Jon E. Dougherty is a staff writer for WorldNetDaily.

20 posted on 07/12/2003 8:33:48 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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