[FreeTheHostages]

oh, I'm sorry, I see your point

OK, that's not terribly helpful to my position then

but those previous cycles don't involve 100 percent increases in CO2 in parts per million in an Antartica ice core? they don't involve the *kinds* of increases we see now

I am waiting for a response from lepton, who has told me there's science that (1) recognizes that there's been 1 degree heating but (2) notes that most of it occurred in the *first* half of the century, where as the increases in CO2 in Vostok are generally happen in the *second* half of the last century. that's interesting cause/effect data

[TigersEye]

... but those previous cycles don't involve 100 percent increases in CO2 in parts per million in an Antartica ice core? they don't involve the *kinds* of increases we see now ...

That's true, they don't. But without a correlation indicating that increased CO2 leads to higher temperatures there is no reason to think that historically high levels will effect temp. either. (and remember, indication does not make a proof)

And now for something completely different. The introduction of Yin/Yang theory here may really tweak the scientific minded but it has proved reliable for centuries in the observation of every conceivable phenomena. Yin/Yang theory says that extreme Yin eventually collapses into Yang, and vice versa, if the given condition is pushed further and further. So if, for the sake of argument, I assume that increased CO2 causes higher global temp.'s and we continue to raise CO2 levels then we can expect global temp.'s to rise until they suddenly collapse into relatively low global temp.'s.

Global temperatures have fluctuated for 100's of millions of years around a median low and median high. The variables have been dramatically different and uncontrollable. At one time there was only plant life then animal life arose and exploded, first in the sea and then onto the land. Volcanic activity has ranged from widespread and continuous to its current relative quiescent state. Asteroids of various sizes periodically strike the planet, sometimes in the sea sometimes on land. The sun's output varies in strength and radiologic character. Some of these variables have a predictable pattern of their own but don't occur with any synchronicity to each other. Sunspots might coincide with an asteroid strike or they might not. A large volcanic eruption might happen at, relatively, the same time ... or not.

With all of this the planets temperature has remained stable between a median high and a median low. Global temperatures have demonstrated a proven record of stability. Whether it is a self-regulatory process or divine intervention no one can say but its stability is unquestionable.

Humans couldn't effect this process if we ignited every oil field on earth and then set off every nuke there is in the upper atomosphere. It might suck to be us for a hundred years or so but what is a hundred years out of one hundred million? The planet would erase the effects of it like high tide on a sand castle.

Cars and aerosol cans can't even compete with termites and cows. "Global Warming" is a hoax. Period!