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New GOP map restores (Rep. Martin Frost's) district
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 4, 2003 | R. G. Ratcliffe

Posted on 07/04/2003 8:05:22 AM PDT by Dog Gone

AUSTIN -- The sponsor of a Republican congressional redistricting plan said Thursday he had eliminated potential federal Voting Rights Act violations by restoring a district held by Dallas Democrat Martin Frost.

State Rep. Phil King, R-Weatherford, said that by keeping Frost's district intact as it was approved by a federal court in 2001, he was able to offset potential voting rights concerns he had about how he had redrawn the 18th and 25th districts in Houston.

Frost's would remain a "minority-influence" district, meaning it contains enough black and Hispanic voters that they can influence election outcomes.

Both versions of King's map slightly reduced the black population in the 18th, represented by Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Houston, and increased the minority population in the 25th, represented by Chris Bell, D-Houston.

The federal Voting Rights Act protects minorities from having the power of their vote diminished, either by packing voters into a single district or splitting them into districts where their numbers are too low for them to have political influence.

King earlier this week had introduced a map to allow Republicans to make major gains in next year's elections. But he surprised the House Redistricting Committee Wednesday by withdrawing the map, citing the potential Voting Rights Act violations in Houston and Dallas.

The map he introduced Thursday was almost identical to his earlier map, except that it restored Frost's district, the 24th, and made it impossible for U.S. Rep. Ralph Hall, D-Rockwall, to win re-election in the 4th District.

"There's nothing else I intend to change," King said. "I've listened to all the testimony and made all the changes I intend to make. I think this is the map we ought to get out."

Gov. Rick Perry called a special legislative on congressional redistricting at the urging of U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land. Republicans contend that because they hold all statewide offices and control both chambers of the Legislature, they should hold a majority of the state's 32 congressional seats.

Democrats now have a 17-15 majority in the Texas delegation.

A redistricting bill was killed in last spring's regular session when more than 50 Democrats fled the Capitol, breaking the House quorum to make debate on the bill impossible.

Republican redistricting committee members said the schedule calls for the panel to vote on King's proposal Saturday with a full House debate beginning Monday. The Senate is continuing to hold public hearings around the state.

Democrats immediately denounced the new King map as a fraud that will be replaced with another map later in the legislative process.

"There is no way Tom DeLay is going to let a map get out of here that re-elects Martin Frost. He hates him too much," said state Rep. Richard Raymond, D-Laredo, a member of the House Redistricting Committee.

Committee member Rep. Mike Krusee, R-Round Rock, denied that another map is lying in wait.

"There's no secret plan. There's no secret map," Krusee said. "We're trying to pass a good map that is fair to Republicans for the first time in history that will pass court muster."

Any map approved by the Legislature is likely to face a court challenge. The current congressional districts were drawn by a three-judge federal court after the Legislature failed to act in 2001.

King said his map would elect 19 Texas Republicans to Congress, but analysis of the map based on information from the Texas Legislative Council indicates that the plan would elect 21 Republicans at the expense of six Democratic incumbents.

The incumbents who would be forced from office by the creation of new Republican districts are Reps. Jim Turner of Crockett, Max Sandlin of Marshall, Hall of Rockwall, Nick Lampson of Beaumont, Charles Stenholm of Abilene and Chet Edwards of Waco.

The residences of Reps. Bell and Gene Green, D-Houston, are moved out of their Harris County districts. But each could move back into his district and likely win re-election, though each might be more vulnerable to a black or Hispanic challenger in a Democratic primary.

Edwards told the House committee Thursday that the constantly changing map proposals are a "political rope-a-dope" meant to mislead people. He said black voters in Waco are angry that they were split into two districts so there is no way they can help elect a Democrat to Congress from McLennan County.

A similar split occurred in Lampson's 9th District. Black voters in Beaumont were split between the 9th and the 8th District, held by Rep. Kevin Brady, R-The Woodlands. And minority voters in Galveston County were taken from the 9th District and put into DeLay's 22nd District.

With 291,000 Harris County residents added to the 9th District, it becomes overwhelmingly Republican based on historical voting trends.

Lampson's residence would be in Brady's reconfigured district. But even if Lampson moved back into the 9th, it is unlikely he could win re-election.

"District 9 is probably one of the worst examples of how you destroyed the minority voting rights," said Rep. Ruth Jones McClendon, D-San Antonio. "You put African-Americans, minorities, Asians in ghettos in such a way that the Republican primary will affect the outcome of the election."

King said his map would not reduce minority voting strength in any way that violates federal law.

"To my knowledge, this map does not violate the federal Voting Rights Act anywhere in Texas," King said.


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1 posted on 07/04/2003 8:05:23 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Cowards
2 posted on 07/04/2003 8:16:30 AM PDT by schaketo (White Devils for Al Sharpton in 2004... Pennsylvania Chapter)
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To: Dog Gone
The district was retained pretty much in its present boundaries to "protect" the interests of minority voters. Which of these minorities does the current Congressman, David Frost, represent? He looks Caucasian to me, unless he has a Latino connection of which I am not aware. And if he himself is not of minority origin, how does he presume to represent the Latinos and Americans of African descent in his district, not having the shared experience of living in the conditions under which they have lived? Does he speak Spanish in his stump speeches? Does the majority support for his re-election campaigns come from his district, or from outside sources? Has he ever been challenged in a primary race by any person from any of these minorities he is supposed to represent? If he was, what was the outcome? How was that campaign waged?
3 posted on 07/04/2003 8:34:58 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: alloysteel
Hey if lurch can find some Jewish roots to help him out at the polls, maybe frost can claim he is a Sophardic Jew. Those are the Spanish Jews :-) !! Oy Carumba bubbla!
4 posted on 07/04/2003 9:18:19 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: Dog Gone
Minority Voting Rights = Quotas
5 posted on 07/04/2003 9:46:10 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Dog Gone
I saw this in this morning's paper, and became very concerned. I thought one of the purposes of redoing redistricting, in addition to gaining GOP House seats, was to get rid of Martin Frost.

Frost is one of the most dangerous people in Washington. He is a liberal, but is able to come back to Texas and masquerade as a "moderate". I would rather have 5 Sheila Jackson Lees or Eddie Bernice Johnsons than one Martin Frost in Washington (as long as there is still a GOP majority). Reason: People such as Sheila Jackson Lee, Eddie Bernice Johnson, and Maxine Waters are expected to be very left of center and off the wall, and are thus not taken seriously except by members of their own community. Frost is dangerous because he is able to give the appearance of being a "moderate", and of being "for the people".

I hope the GOP sneaks another map onto the floor at the 11th hour, to force Frost out of office.
6 posted on 07/04/2003 10:42:49 AM PDT by Not A Democrat
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To: Not A Democrat
I have no objection to suckerpunching the Ardmore Rats and Martin Frost.
7 posted on 07/04/2003 10:53:54 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: deport
The new map pits nine incumbents against one another: John Carter, R-Round Rock, against Chet Edwards, D-Waco; John Culberson, R-Houston, against Chris Bell, D-Houston; Kevin Brady, R-The Woodlands, against two Democrats, Gene Green of Houston and Nick Lampson of Beaumont; and Randy Neugebauer, R-Lubbock, against Charles Stenholm of Stamford.

8 posted on 07/04/2003 11:09:35 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Not A Democrat
I think you are correct. I want Frost gone more than any other dim.

Did you see about the paid disruptors in Corpus?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/940445/posts

9 posted on 07/04/2003 11:15:40 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: mathluv
I saw that about the paid protesters in South Texas. The Dems strike with rent-a-mob, once again. We're too busy earning a living to take off and protest committee hearings.

I am really offended by the Democrats' constant race baiting. To listen to these people, you would think that the only people that can truly represent ethnic minorities are Democrats.

Is the "party of the little guy" the one that wants to take as much of said little guy's paycheck as possible? I don't think so. This makes their race and class warfare even worse.

As Rush quotes former speaker of the House Fort Worthless Jim Wright: "We only want to helllp you...I mean screw you.."
10 posted on 07/04/2003 11:47:48 AM PDT by Not A Democrat
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To: Dog Gone
Well I think the best news maybe from the following article.....

Willie's picnic off to a smooth start

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Friday, July 4, 2003

Willie Nelson's 30th Anniversary 4th of July Picnic Weekend got off to a relatively snafu-free start this morning. This was the public debut of the Two River Canyon Ampitheatre, and early signs indicate that the 800-acre spread near Spicewood had its act together.

........Workers at the gate were searching people thoroughly for contraband or forbidden items, even going through their pockets. But as of noon nothing had been confiscated. Sgt. Jimmy Zuehlke of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission did note, however, that one person was thrown out for intoxication at 10 a.m., after he showed up at the ticket window smelling badly, slurring his speech and having difficulty standing up. At 12:30, a man in a tie-dyed t-shirt was carried by stretcher into an ambulance. A law-enforcement official described him as 'hot and drunk, that's all.' It was not clear if this was the same man who had been drunk at 10 a.m.[end snip]

Here's a pdf file of both maps .. They maybe getting closer to putting something together that can pass the Senate... It'll be interesting to see what the Senate comes up with.

11 posted on 07/04/2003 11:56:36 AM PDT by deport ( HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig)
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To: Dog Gone
Thanks ! Here is the DMN story today:


New map divisive along party lines

Democrats, GOP differ over how it will affect minorities, rural areas

07/04/2003

By GROMER JEFFERS JR. and ROBERT T. GARRETT / The Dallas Morning News

AUSTIN – House Republicans praised and Democrats condemned Thursday an altered congressional map that largely restores the district now represented by Democrat Martin Frost of Arlington.

The plan's author and GOP lawmakers said it achieves their aim of electing more Republicans to Congress while preserving the voting rights of black and Hispanic Texans.

Democratic legislators said the new map would harm rural areas and destroy districts in which minorities have significant influence, possibly running afoul of a redistricting decision by the U.S. Supreme Court last week.

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"We're trying to pass a good map that's fair to Republicans for the first time in history and that will survive court challenges," said Rep. Mike Krusee, R-Round Rock, a member of the House Redistricting Committee. It heard testimony on the new map into the evening Thursday.

"They targeted minorities and they killed East Texas, too," said Rep. Richard Raymond, D-Laredo, another member of the panel.

In the Dallas-Fort Worth area, the new map makes relatively minor changes to nine districts, and pulls into southwest Tarrant County a piece of a 10th one – the 17th Congressional District, now represented by Democrat Charlie Stenholm of Abilene.

While Mr. Frost does not appear to be on the chopping block for now, the revised plan could do harm to long-serving U.S. Rep. Ralph Hall, D-Rockwall, whose 4th District would pick up parts of GOP-leaning Dallas suburbs such as Richardson and north Garland.

"This is essentially the same plan that we laid out a couple of days ago," said the new map's principal designer, Rep. Phil King, R-Weatherford. "It's probably going to give us 19 Republican seats."

In last year's elections, using a map drawn by three federal judges, Texans elected 17 Democrats and 15 Republicans to the U.S. House of Representatives.

U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land, and Gov. Rick Perry, who summoned state lawmakers back into session to redraw congressional district lines, have said the existing map fails to reflect the GOP's growth. Mr. King has said a new one would help advance President Bush's agenda.

Democrats have warned that Texas, especially minorities and rural residents, would lose the clout of several veteran, white Democratic congressmen endangered by the new map.

"It unilaterally disarms Texas on key committees," U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Waco, one of the targeted incumbents, told the House panel.

An earlier map, which House Republicans unveiled Tuesday but withdrew Wednesday, shifted Mr. Frost's 24th District to the northeast. It would have taken Fort Worth and Arlington out of the 24th and added Irving, Coppell and Carrollton.

Analysts say that while blacks and Hispanics would have comprised a bare majority of the district's voters, the new district would tilt to the GOP because younger Hispanics in Dallas County historically have not voted as consistently as the blacks in southeast Fort Worth they replaced.

But the altered map released Thursday would leave Mr. Frost with virtually the same district he has now: Nearly 55 percent of its voters are minorities; and about 58 percent voted Democratic in last fall's statewide elections.

A spokesman for Mr. Frost declined to comment.

Mr. Raymond, the House panel's most outspoken critic of the new plans, said he believed Mr. King's latest effort was "fake" and that Mr. Frost's district would be gutted in the map that eventually passes during the special session.

"There's no way Tom DeLay will ever let a map get out of here that lets Martin Frost get re-elected," Mr. Raymond said. "He hates him too much."

Jim Ellis, executive director of Americans for a Republican Majority, the political action committee Mr. DeLay uses to elect GOP candidates and secure his own base in Congress, said Mr. Raymond doesn't know Mr. DeLay or "how Tom DeLay feels about anything."

Toppling Mr. Frost is not Mr. DeLay's top priority, Mr. Ellis said.

"Our No. 1 goal is to increase Republican representation and make the map better reflect the voting patterns of the state of Texas," he said.

East Texas Democrats expressed outrage that the map would make three of the region's four districts susceptible to being dominated by the GOP-leaning suburbs of Dallas or Houston.

Rep. Jim McReynolds, D-Lufkin, said the redistricting plan would lead to Republican domination of the 1st, 4th and 9th districts, now represented, respectively, by Max Sandlin, D-Marshall; Mr. Hall; and Nick Lampson, D-Beaumont.

"We're determined not to let 'rural' disappear in these congressional districts," said Mr. McReynolds, vice chairman of the Legislature's Rural Caucus.

The group could file a lawsuit, he added.

E-mail gjeffers@dallasnews.com and rtgarrett@dallasnews.com


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/tsw/stories/070403dntexremap.d8008.html
Remap
Erich Schlegel / DMN
State Rep. Helen Giddings, D-DeSoto,
took a look at a new congressional redistricting
map before a House Redistricting Committee
meeting at the state Capitol on Thursday.

12 posted on 07/04/2003 1:37:26 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Coming Soon !: Freeper site on Comcast. I lost the URL.)
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To: Dog Gone; Pubbie; JohnnyZ; Theodore R.; Nathaniel Fischer; AuH2ORepublican; LdSentinal; Kuksool; ...
TX redistricting *ping*

If the GOP doesn't take out that wart on the a$$ of the TX delegation, they ain't worth (to paraphrase Cactus Jack Garner) a warm bucket of $hit.
13 posted on 07/05/2003 10:18:38 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Apparently, the GOP thinks keeping Frost "safe" (majority minority district) will take the sting out of the otherwise Democrat howls of opposition over redistricting.

Now the Democrats are saying that a Republican congressional majority could violate their "right to privacy" in speaking out for Democrat causes at public hearings! Makes no sense!
14 posted on 07/05/2003 11:17:48 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Y'know, if they're not going to bother to do something bold and eliminate Jonas Frost's seat, Doggiebiscuit's, and rest of the cretins, leaving just the extremist fringe such as Sheila General Jackson-Lee to represent the 'Rats, then forget it. Does anyone here believe if the 'Rats could find a way to take out "the Hammer" if they had the numbers to draw the lines that they wouldn't ? Please !
15 posted on 07/05/2003 12:12:05 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I always thought it was bucket of piss. :)

I think Frost knew it would pass and made some kind of deal to save his own ass.

I take it as a sign that the rats have resigned themselves to losing this.

It's unfortunate that the a#1 Texas rat will survive but several of his minions will be out of a job.

Still it's "lily-livered" of them to give in to him, in Michigan they went right for #1 rat David Bonior's throat and he is currently.........uh probably a lobbyist or college prof. :D


16 posted on 07/05/2003 3:35:13 PM PDT by Impy (Dear Justice O'Connor, If you want to see your cat alive again.....)
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To: Dog Gone
{Democrats immediately denounced the new King map as a fraud}

The RATS sure know about fraud, don't they?

{"There is no way Tom DeLay is going to let a map get out of here that re-elects Martin Frost. He hates him too much"}

Let me guess. If the new redistricting plan passes, the RATS are going to call the new political map a hate crime against them.
17 posted on 07/06/2003 8:56:45 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: fieldmarshaldj
The map he introduced Thursday was almost identical to his earlier map, except that it restored Frost's district, the 24th, and made it impossible for U.S. Rep. Ralph Hall, D-Rockwall, to win re-election in the 4th District.

That does not make sense.

18 posted on 07/06/2003 11:31:41 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (I barbeque with Sweet Baby Ray's)
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To: JohnnyZ; Theodore R.
"That does not make sense."

I'll say. As for me, if I were the key vote on this plan, I'd vote against it. Ralph Hall does not deserve this kind of disrespect. The only thing that differentiates him from us is a letter of the alphabet and nothing else. Allow the man to serve out as long as he wants and the seat falls into our lap without having to tinker with the lines one iota. When this DINO retires, it will be a sad day for the 'Rats as they continue to abandon mainstream America. I'm sure Mr. Sam will be crying on that day somewhere...

19 posted on 07/06/2003 1:26:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: JohnnyZ
The difficulty in getting rid of Martin Frost is two-fold. It is nearly impossible to avoid retrogression and not keep a minority-majority seat based in Tarrant County and southwestern Dallas County. The problem with keeping Hall over Frost is simply geographic - Ralph Hall lives in rural East Texas nearly fifty miles east of this district with no rational way to connect him to it. Even if they were to draw him into it, Hall would be defeated in the primary.

In explaining this, please don't confuse me with a Frost supporter as I absolutely detest the man and I live in fear with each map that I will end up in his district. As of the last map, I am six blocks outside his district -- but way too close for comfort.

20 posted on 07/06/2003 1:38:11 PM PDT by writmeister
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