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Ruling Expected Tomorrow in Suit Over "Family Day" Parade Access
The Honolulu Star Bulletin ^ | 07/02/2003 | Craig Gima

Posted on 07/02/2003 8:23:33 PM PDT by Spyder

Ruling set for tomorrow in suit over ‘Family Day’ parade access

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By Craig Gima

cgima@starbulletin.com

A federal judge plans to decide tomorrow on a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and three gay-advocacy groups that want to march in a "Kid's Day Parade" on Saturday.

At a hearing yesterday, ACLU attorney Brent White argued that the city is a co-sponsor of the parade with the Hawaii Christian Coalition and cannot discriminate against the gay groups and prevent them from marching in the parade.

U.S. District Judge Helen Gillmor indicated she would rule for the ACLU if the event is city-sponsored.

"The law in this area is quite clear," Gillmor said. "It's really a factual determination that I have to come to terms with."

Gillmor gave the city until 4 p.m. today to file arguments and to provide relevant documents such as the mayor's proclamation on Family Day, the city's policies on private and city-sponsored parades, and communication from Alvin Au, the deputy director of the Department of Facility Maintenance who is also a parade co-chairman.

"You have to deal with the facts put forward by the plaintiffs," Gillmor told city Deputy Corporation Counsel Greg Swartz. "It is up to you to explain through evidence why this isn't a joint venture."

Swartz argued that the city is a sponsor of Family Day activities in Kapiolani Park on Saturday, but the parade is being organized by the Hawaii Christian Coalition and the decision to deny the gay groups' application to march was made by the coalition, not the city.

But Gillmor questioned Swartz about why Au's city phone number was listed as a contact for the parade applications, and about city employees who are listed as members of the parade committee. She asked Swartz to produce evidence that the city has provided similar support for private parades.

"The judge wants answers," White said. "If it's a private event, why is city administrator Alvin Au on city time and using a city phone taking applications for the parade?"

Gillmor also noted that a city Web site and poster, which said the parade was open to all, seemed to indicate that the parade was co-sponsored by the city.

The Web site was changed after the Parents, Family, Friends of Lesbians and Gays group applied to be in the parade.

But Swartz said the Web site was not taken down in response to the application. It was simply replaced with a better poster for the parade and family day activities.

If the judge rules that the gay groups must be allowed to march in the parade, the Hawaii Christian Coalition will cancel the parade, said Garret Hashimoto, the coalition's president.

"We have children's happiness at stake here," Hashimoto said. "It's inappropriate for children to march alongside an advocacy group."

But Bill Woods of the Gay and Lesbian Education and Advocacy Foundation says his group has offered to replace the Hawaii Christian Coalition as the sponsor of the parade should the coalition drop out.

Gillmor promised to rule by tomorrow afternoon


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: familyday; gay; hawaii; homosexuals; parade
I'm all for people having the privacy to practice their own perversity in their own homes if they're not harming anyone else, but why must they try to crash the party for everyone else, particularly when kids are involved?

I do like Hashimoto's comment, "It's inappropriate for children to march alongside an advocacy group."

I don't see any other activists, such as the Hawaiian independence groups, marching in this thing... I can't think of a better way to influence people AGAINST your cause than something like this.

1 posted on 07/02/2003 8:23:33 PM PDT by Spyder
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To: Spyder
I say let them join in - as long as they bring thier own biological family (children) with them.
2 posted on 07/02/2003 8:29:49 PM PDT by greydog
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To: Spyder
hmm wonder how many wanker sodomites are ACLU activists....
just cant keep them away from the children
and the SCROTUS is so enabling....
3 posted on 07/02/2003 8:30:55 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Spyder
After some thought, I've decided all the diversity groups represented by the ACLU are demanding their so-called "right" not to have their feelings hurt.
4 posted on 07/02/2003 8:32:42 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: Spyder
Can a group who's sole claim to advocacy is sexual behavior seriously be expected to march in a parade for children?

I guess Honolulu doesn't have a any S&M clubs that want to march in support of the children.
5 posted on 07/02/2003 8:36:54 PM PDT by Bogey78O (My dog's a democrat)
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To: Spyder
All they want to do is hijack traditional family events, institutions, and even holidays. Look at what gays are doing to hallowen and V Day (formerly St. Valentine's day)

The goal is NOT "acceptance", as they claim, but to dissuade the cowards among us to stop going to these parades/joining these institutions/celebrating these holidays, therefore destroying the institutions/traditions and holidays.

They want us to lose sight of our history, and the things that made our country what it was, so they can come along, pervert it, and turn it into whatever they want it to be.

6 posted on 07/02/2003 8:49:16 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: Spyder; All
Seen this?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/939537/posts
Ugly Naked Freaks on Toronto Streets:Gay "Pride"
Free Dominion ^ | 07-02-03 | FD member "Trouble"
7 posted on 07/03/2003 12:46:18 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Yeah... not sure I'd call it graphic. Disgusting for certain, and amusing to think some of these folk consider themselves attractive enough to bare all, sexual orientation be da*ned.
8 posted on 07/03/2003 12:49:22 AM PDT by Spyder (Just another day in Paradise)
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To: Spyder
These b*stards just won't quit. This is unbelievable! The ACLU and these groups are pure evil!!
I feel for these kids if this parade is cancelled.
It's so sad that the selfishness of a few ruins it for the majority in this country.
9 posted on 07/03/2003 12:59:41 AM PDT by StayoutdaBushesWay
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To: Spyder
If the judge rules that the gay groups must be allowed to march in the parade, the Hawaii Christian Coalition will cancel the parade, said Garret Hashimoto, the coalition's president.

I think that's the whole idea of the gay groups. We must not upset the fudge packer mafia, as they now have the courts on their side for some damn reason.

10 posted on 07/03/2003 1:06:39 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: Spyder; hellinahandcart
Its ok. Gillmor will make a "factual determination" that the law says the gays can march in the parade.

Our society is spinning around faster and faster down the toilet whirlpool. We've been flushed and just don't know it yet.

11 posted on 07/03/2003 10:38:46 AM PDT by sauropod (Watch out for low flying brooms! The Witch has left the Wal-Mart)
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To: Spyder
"At a hearing yesterday, ACLU attorney Brent White argued that the city is a co-sponsor of the parade with the Hawaii Christian Coalition and cannot discriminate against the gay groups and prevent them from marching in the parade. "

Since this is a Federal court, this ruling if it goes in favor of the homosexual lobby is going to come back around and bite them in the butt nationwide and in every single city wherever there is a homosexual event. (Pun intended)
12 posted on 07/03/2003 4:35:42 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Using pretentious arcane words to buttress your argument means you don't have one)
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To: Spyder
If everybody marches, who's left to watch?
13 posted on 07/03/2003 7:08:40 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Spyder
Keep the Gay parades going and publicized! - - this is one issue being pushed that could cause the far right-wing Christians who often "sit out" voting to get to the polls for Republicans.


14 posted on 07/04/2003 3:14:41 AM PDT by Susannah (Over 200 people murdered in L. A.County-first 5 mos. of 2003 & NONE were fighting Iraq!!)
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