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"We distort. You comply" - T-Shirts comparing Bill O'Reilly to Hitler (Blatant trademark violations)
Salon ^ | June 26, 2003 | Katharine Mieszkowski

Posted on 06/27/2003 10:46:06 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War

Tech


"We distort. You comply"
Even in a down economy, there are some business models that still work -- selling T-shirts comparing Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly to Hitler, for example.

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By Katharine Mieszkowski

June 26, 2003  | Nothing boosts lefty T-shirt sales like an officious, bullying cease-and-desist letter from Fox News.

Agitproperties.com in Austin, Texas, sells "Faux News Channel" T-shirts that mock the Fox logo with the slogan "We distort. You comply." The company is an equal-opportunity network mocker -- it also sells "Pentagon News Network" T-shirts parodying the CNN logo.

But those two offerings are positively subtle compared to the T-shirt that puts a Hitler Youth spin on Fox fulminator Bill O'Reilly. A strapping young blond man brandishing a flag emblazoned with the words "news channel" is bracketed with the slogan "Fair and Balanced" and the title "O'Reilly Youth."

Lest anyone start thinking Bill O'Reilly has actually begun recruiting for his own fascist youth brigade, the site displays a prominent disclaimer right on the home page: "This Web site and the merchandise sold herein are parodies and as such are political satire protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. Agitproperties.com is not connected with, approved or endorsed by Fox News Network LLC ..." and so on.

But Fox isn't convinced.

In a letter dated June 19, 2003, Christopher Silvestri, senior counsel for the network, accused Agitproperties.com of trademark infringement and ordered the company to stop selling the shirts. "Furthermore, the T-shirt 'O'Reilly Youth tee,' in addition to the infringements described herein, shows incredibly poor taste on your part, is highly offensive and clearly demonstrates your bad faith use of the Fox Copyrights and Trademarks," Silvestri wrote.

The guys at Agitproperties think that's pretty funny: "Now isn't that a hoot: to be accused of 'incredibly poor taste' by a representative of the network responsible for such benchmarks of good taste such as 'Temptation Island 3,' 'Joe Millionaire' and 'Stupid Behavior Caught on Tape,'" they wrote in a press release detailing the contretemps.

Richard Luckett, 46, a graphic designer in Austin -- "deep in enemy territory," he says -- started selling the shirts on street corners with his two partners, Brad First, a nightclub manager, and Rick Elms, an Austin bartender, at antiwar rallies in Washington and San Francisco earlier this year.

On their Web site, they feature links to news stories from around the world, along with incitements to buy their liberal propaganda. "I wanted to be an antidote to the mainstream U.S. media," says Luckett, who spent 20 years on the road as a merchandiser for bands like Duran Duran and Stevie Ray Vaughan.

But as Baghdad fell, so did T-shirt sales.

"After the so-called victory, all of a sudden our traffic and our sales just went to nothing. We were sitting around wondering what we should do and we got this cease-and-desist order from Fox," says Luckett.

You'd think the lawyers at Fox News were moonlighting for the marketing department of agitproperties.com.

As word of the cease-and-desist letter spread around liberal blogs, traffic to the site went from 300 people a day to 41,000. "I went from having five mentions on Google to six pages in 24 hours," says Luckett, who says that he's taken $3,000 worth of T-shirt orders in the last 24 hours.

The site has attracted so much traffic that by Thursday morning it was shut down temporarily for consuming too much bandwidth. The site was back up by Thursday afternoon.

Agitproperties.com hasn't formally responded to Fox's letter yet, but plans to. "Fox expected a tiny little company in Austin, Texas, to just roll over. This is definitely without a doubt a First Amendment issue. Americans should be free to speak their minds," says Luckett.

Robert Zimmerman, spokesperson for Fox News said only: "We don't comment on legal matters."

If Fox does decide to defend its copyright against the likes of the O'Reilly youth T-shirt in court, could the network have a case? Although the T-shirt peddlers say that they're just trying to make enough money from the shirts to keep their tiny alternative media site up and running, could they be prosecuted for profiting from Fox's trademark?

"The question is not whether they're selling the shirts for profit or not," says Fred Von Lohmann, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "The real question is: Are people going to be confused? If you look at a T-shirt and it's clearly lampooning the trademark, no one is going to be confused. Then, the First Amendment gives you more protection.

"Trademark law is intended to protect the public from confusion," he says. "It's not intended to protect Bill O'Reilly from offensive comments about his program."

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About the writer
Katharine Mieszkowski is a senior writer for Salon Technology.



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To: chudogg
Hey there is such thing as a conservative lawyer. I am in the process of becoming one.
41 posted on 06/28/2003 7:23:39 AM PDT by brazos.357
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To: Dont Mention the War
I guess this is a warning to any FReepers who want to sell "Communist News Network" tee shirts......
42 posted on 06/28/2003 8:27:30 AM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: Dont Mention the War
Yes, TRADEMARK law. (insert midddle of night cop out here).

In the hypothetical CNN T-Shirt case, do you believe that consumer confusion would exist as to whether or not they were a "CNN" product.

43 posted on 06/28/2003 8:54:38 AM PDT by per loin
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To: Dont Mention the War
It's parody

And these ambulance chasers need to be slapped in the side of the head. I don't care if it is right or left.

Ambulance chasers SUCK.

44 posted on 06/28/2003 8:57:39 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Liberals - "The suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked")
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To: Dont Mention the War
Although the T-shirt peddlers say that they're just trying to make enough money from the shirts to keep their tiny alternative media site up and running, could they be prosecuted for profiting from Fox's trademark?

This seems like the key to me. Is profit actually being made? Could one argue that making enough to run a Website constitutes profit?
45 posted on 06/29/2003 3:17:00 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Michael121
And that is the difference, alter a Logo of a private company and it is stealing. Parody a politician and it is protected. Both are different.

  I think you're getting at something fairly significant here - and the resolution is not at all obvious. First off, I personally think the defendant is in the right here - the logos are clearly political in nature, and I think they should fall clearly under 1st amendment protection. Whether or not that will happen, of course, is a different question.

  Now, the analogy I'd like to make is to the case that Nike is currently involved with in, I think, Oregon or California. They responded to some attack ads about their business practices with their own version of the story. The people who put out the attack ads found some error or other, and sued under a law banning false advertising, claiming that it was commercial, not political, speech. I disagree with them, again, but their case rests on the idea that a private, commercial company only engages in commercial speech.

  And that seems to be at the root of this case as well. Fox is, I assume, trying to maintain that they are a commercial company, and this parody is commercial, not political, speech. Especially for a news outlet, I find this tenuous - maybe laughable. Fox and CNN regularly engage in political speech, so do a host of other companies. When they do, they deserve the protection we afford such speech. But they should also take the blows, that other people can engage in such against them.

  These t-shirts are attacking Fox and CNN's political views. The original writer may not find them clever, but personally, I did. I don't agree with them, but I thought they were amusing. More, I thought they were very clearly political themselves. Thus, I think they deserve a very high degree of protection.

Drew Garrett

46 posted on 06/29/2003 3:51:13 PM PDT by agarrett
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To: chudogg
"Somebody tell the moderators!"

Yeah! We don't like cussing around here!
47 posted on 06/29/2003 8:12:00 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: agarrett
FOX is not a politician, or political party. It is a business. They report news, they have commentators they do not run for office. It is theft of their copyrighted material, plain and simple. The Shirt boys are tying to capitalize on someone else's artistic creation.

Whether FOX News engages in reporting political speech does not mean they are speaking politically. They were not elected to serve. If one individual personality does something like get a DUI then it can be reported. They are considered public figures to an extent. But the network is not.
48 posted on 06/30/2003 6:01:09 PM PDT by Michael121
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; Gracey; Alamo-Girl; RottiBiz; lonevoice; bamabaseballmom; FoxGirl; Mr. Bob; ...
FoxFan ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent FoxFan list.

49 posted on 06/30/2003 7:15:30 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: nutmeg
Thanks for the heads up!
50 posted on 06/30/2003 8:14:25 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dont Mention the War
Here's the Salon Stock Deathwatch.

Seems right for them to be profiling liberal bottom feeders.

51 posted on 07/07/2003 1:38:17 PM PDT by weegee
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To: per loin
Bill O'Reilly is a thinskinned, loudmouthed, hypocritical dishonest bully who can dish it out but can't take it.

But that is typical of those humorless reich wingnuts.

The Fox Fascists may win in court - President Karl Rove and his Ayatollahs have pretty well eviscerated the Bill of Rights, so censoring free speech they don't like will be nothing new for them.

The t-shirt is original and funny, and paints a true picture of O'Reilly and his O'Reilly brownshirts.
52 posted on 07/09/2003 5:48:40 AM PDT by wishywashy
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To: Dont Mention the War
While I am not a professional lawyer, I might ask:

What's the difference between this and "Sore-Loserman"?

If you're gonna dish it out, ya gotta be ready to take it.
53 posted on 07/09/2003 5:51:52 AM PDT by djf
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To: djf
What's the difference between this and "Sore-Loserman"?

Try reading the thread first. Particularly (but not only by any means) post 35.

If you're gonna dish it out, ya gotta be ready to take it.

I posted this on June 28, and I'm still here.

54 posted on 07/09/2003 5:59:01 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: Dont Mention the War
Hahaha...I think it's funny. I don't agree with them, but they are damn creative.
55 posted on 07/09/2003 5:59:56 AM PDT by krb (the statement on the other side of this tagline is false)
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To: wishywashy
The t-shirt is original and funny...

Proof the t-shirts are not "original."

56 posted on 07/09/2003 6:01:33 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: wishywashy
Sign up in 2000, make all of four posts, with one of them being that? Sheesh.
57 posted on 07/09/2003 6:15:50 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Dont Mention the War
Sometimes I don't have time to read a thread, I reply to the article.

I have never heard that "We report, you decide" was trademarked in any way, and in fact I was quite opposed to MickeyD's trademarking "We love to see you smile".
And all FoxNews need do is come up with about three more of their stupid graphics, and they could corner the entire English language. I want content. Not some kids idea of creativity. To be fair, all the news networks suffer this problem.
I at least want those who share my ideals to have a spine.
58 posted on 07/09/2003 6:15:56 AM PDT by djf
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To: Dont Mention the War
Sorry. I side with the teeshirt company.

It's a parody, and political speech, even if they are doing it for money.

Faux News - We distort, you comply. I think it's pretty cute. Fox looks pretty silly with this action. If they had a brain they'd have let it die. Now I may buy myself a teeshirt.
59 posted on 07/09/2003 6:30:37 AM PDT by jimt
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