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Organizers say teens' nudist summer camp is innocent fun
Charlotte.com ^ | Fri, Jun. 20, 2003 | BOB LEWIS

Posted on 06/20/2003 11:31:42 PM PDT by Texaggie79

RICHMOND, Va. - Activities for kids this summer at Camp White Tail: swimming, volleyball, arts and crafts, splattering a fellow camper's nude body with pudding.

White Tail, a nudist park in southeastern Virginia's Southampton County, opens its first summer camp for the 11-to-18 age group Saturday - only the third such au naturel camp for juveniles in the nation, according to the American Association of Nude Recreation.

Bob Roche, who manages the camp on 45 bucolic acres, said the weeklong get-together is no big deal for the 30 children who signed up, most of whom were raised in nudist families.

State and local officials, however, are alarmed by a summer camp intended to bring unclothed teens together for a week.

"We're very concerned about this development. An atmosphere like that is very clearly an invitation to pedophiles," said Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore's press secretary, Tim Murtaugh.

Delegate Robert G. Marshall, one of the state legislature's foremost social conservatives, said such a camp was better suited for San Francisco than straight-laced Virginia.

"I guess these nudists were just born that way, but unlike the rest of us they never grew out of it," Marshall said.

Roche said such concerns are unfounded at Camp White Tail, which has operated legally and without incident since it opened in 1984. It attracts an average of 1,200 people at any given time, including 30 families who live there year-round. All must undergo background checks, and the camp enforces strict rules against lustful behavior.

"Sure, it could be a magnet for pedophiles, but we don't let it be. We screen everyone thoroughly and, thanks to the governor, we can check online to see if someone's a sex offender," he said.

A searchable database of sex criminals is available through the Virginia State Police Web site.

Nor are special youth activities novel at White Tail, Roche said. Each summer features "Junior Fest" weekends chock full of activities for the children of the camp's regulars.

The summer youth camp, however, is different in that parents don't have to be present. Roche likened it to summertime retreats that churches run for boys and girls.

"This is actually a camp-type camp," he said. "All the meals are inclusive, the camp is totally structured with arts and crafts for the younger ones, with swimming lessons and firefighting lessons."

There are also activities uniquely suited to nakedness such as the pudding toss.

"We give each camper a cup of pudding and a spoon and just let them plaster each other," Roche said. With nothing to launder, cleanup is as simple as a quick blast with a garden hose.

Also unusually, counselors outnumber the kids. They range in age from 19 to 25, and all have been thoroughly trained.

"There's 1 1/2 counselors for each camper," Roche said.

The camp is modeled after the AANR's Youth Leadership Camp, which has operated for 11 years near Tampa, Fla., said Carolyn Hawkins, spokeswoman for the Kissimmee, Fla.-based organization. The other youth nudist camp is in Arizona.

AANR expects the Virginia camp will attract kids from Georgia, the Carolinas, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

Hawkins' 22-year-old grandson, Steven Vickers, has been a camp counselor for years. Vickers, a student at Valencia Community College, said first-time campers are uptight about their nakedness for about a day, then easily shed their self-consciousness.

"They realize there are other people like they are, and they find it comforting. They see that other kids are going through puberty, too," he said.

For children, peer pressure discourages sexual conduct.

"Most of these kids have grown up together and they're more like family than friends. So it would be like going to a family reunion and hitting on someone. It's just not the thing to do," Vickers said.

There's nothing illegal about gathering in the buff on private property, even for children, as long as being nude doesn't mean being lewd.

"To be illegal, the line that has to be crossed is lascivious intent," Murtaugh said. "Rest assured that law enforcement will be very aware and vigilant about this."


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"For children, peer pressure discourages sexual conduct."

Truer words have never been spoken...

1 posted on 06/20/2003 11:31:42 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
I am suspicious of nudist camps for pubescent youth. YET, it seems that a confessional is a worse place to be for a young teenager.
2 posted on 06/21/2003 12:19:57 AM PDT by cyborg (I'm a mutt-american)
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To: Texaggie79
Well then you didn't happen to have the same set of peers I did.
3 posted on 06/21/2003 12:26:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Texaggie79
"Camp White Tail"

Looks like they're trying to take the name seriously. :)
4 posted on 06/21/2003 1:07:39 AM PDT by DeepDish
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To: Texaggie79; mhking
Hold muh...whatever...
5 posted on 06/21/2003 1:10:59 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: Texaggie79
"Organizers say teens' nudist summer camp is innocent fun."
Classic a$$hole remark.
6 posted on 06/21/2003 3:50:07 AM PDT by elephantlips
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
"Hold muh beer 'n watch this!" PING....

If you want on or off this list, please let me know!

7 posted on 06/21/2003 4:34:06 AM PDT by mhking
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>>>it would be like going to a family reunion and hitting on someone. It's just not the thing to do,"

It's not? Uh oh...
8 posted on 06/21/2003 6:16:10 AM PDT by 4mycountry (Japanese drain pipe is so tiny, please don't flush too much toilet papers.)
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it would be like going to a family reunion and hitting on someone. It's just not the thing to do," *

*Except in the States of Arkansas and West Virginia.

9 posted on 06/21/2003 6:19:41 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
Texas here.

It just brought back memories of loooooong ago when I was young and went to a family reunion and liked a girl who was the friend of a relative. I just hope no one remembers...
10 posted on 06/21/2003 6:26:44 AM PDT by 4mycountry (Japanese drain pipe is so tiny, please don't flush too much toilet papers.)
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To: Texaggie79; mhking
More Here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/931115/posts?page=101,3
11 posted on 06/21/2003 7:45:34 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (<><)
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"For children, peer pressure discourages sexual conduct."

I dunno, it's been a long time since I was a teenager but in my day hormones trumped everything. Now that may have changed but I doubt it.

18 year olds can do what they please, parents sending there 11 year old sons and daughters to a nudist camp with 18 year olds should have their squash examined.

12 posted on 06/21/2003 7:48:37 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: mhking
You know Mike, I actually have experience as a camp counselor at one of the nation's premier summer camps for the ultra rich. We could hardly keep the boys and girls seperated even though they were across the lake from each other and wearing clothes. Well most of the time they were wearing clothes.

Perhaps I should apply for a job? It would be a shame to waste all this valuable experience.
13 posted on 06/21/2003 8:59:28 AM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: Labyrinthos; 4mycountry
Several years ago, traveling in Appalachia, I witnessed two interesting events. One was seeing a guy with 3 nostrils. Another was listening to an animated conversation between a teenaged girl and a teenaged boy at a clooging festival, probably around 16 or 17 years old. She was adament, annoyed, and had obviously been the object of repeated requests her line was - "For the last time, Richard, I am NOT going to slow dance with you. You're my brother, thats gross."

Guess Sis was looking pretty good that night.

14 posted on 06/21/2003 9:05:01 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (woke up this morning, with a blue moon in your eye......)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I would bet you a fair amount of money that those paying the bills for attendance at the nudist camp are not from Appalachia.
15 posted on 06/21/2003 9:27:13 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
clooging festival (?)

Please educate me.

16 posted on 06/21/2003 9:35:50 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
He means clogging. It's a kind of country dancing common in Appalachia.
17 posted on 06/21/2003 9:38:44 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: Texaggie79
and more here
18 posted on 06/21/2003 9:54:14 AM PDT by putupon (tighten up on 'yer natural)
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"We're very concerned about this development. An atmosphere like that is very clearly an invitation to pedophiles," said Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore's press secretary, Tim Murtaugh."

I'd say it's also very clearly an invitation to rampant promiscuity! Their claims about 'peer pressure' inhibiting sexual conduct notwithstanding, get a bunch of volatile-hormonally induced nekked teens together, and I guarantee that it'll be a challenge to prevent sexual liaisons. This is truly an invitation to disaster.
19 posted on 06/21/2003 9:59:02 AM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: Texaggie79
"We're very concerned about this development. An atmosphere like that is very clearly an invitation to pedophiles," said Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore's press secretary, Tim Murtaugh.

If Gerri hadn't spent the last month filing frivilous lawsuits trying to regulate college athletic conferences, he might have time to find out they were going to open the place this weekend and shut it down in advance Pickin' and Grinnin': College football goes to the courts

20 posted on 06/21/2003 10:05:31 AM PDT by putupon (tighten up on 'yer natural)
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