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To: Slyfox
Actually, the main reason Doris chose to sell TPC is because neither of her daughters want to take over the company and she realizes how important the long-term existence of Pampered Chef is to many, many families who rely on it for income, myself included. Doris is in her late 50's and wanted the company to continue to prosper indefinitely. I believe that in her mind, she did the wisest thing possible. I think the abortion issue took her by surprise.

I gave this whole Warren Buffett thing a lot of thought when it first surfaced last year and decided that my family has been immeasurably blessed by Pampered Chef. I'm able to stay home with my children, which would not be AT ALL possible without that income. Further, if all Christians left Pampered Chef, who would be left? What kind of witness would that be? God is in control of this company, Warren Buffett, Berkshire Hathaway, and the future. WB may have plans for his money once he's gone, but ultimately, God is in control.

Personally, I think it's more effective to take action against abortion in concrete ways in our own backyard -- donating money to crisis pregnancy centers and pro-life organizations, campaigning and voting for pro-life candidates, even adopting. Not buying a Blizzard may make one feel a little self-righteous for a moment, but in the bigger picture, it's meaningless.

When I was researching this issue, I found it totally weird that the richest people on the planet are so into this global population control thing -- Buffett, the Packards (Hewlitt-Packard), Ted Turner, even Bill Gates. What on earth are these people afraid of??
21 posted on 06/17/2003 11:00:49 PM PDT by 2Smart2BLiberal (I'm the nicest litle lady you'll ever meet. Really.)
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
Live it up my sister! Your sin will see the light. You have prostituted the love of money for the fruit of this world. There is no gray area for born again Christians! I'm sick to death of the Christian opportunists that hide within the body, only to surface to use the church mailing lists and women's groups to prosper. Your statement says it all

Personally, I think it's more effective to take action against abortion in concrete ways in our own backyard -- donating money to crisis pregnancy centers and pro-life organizations, campaigning and voting for pro-life candidates, even adopting. Not buying a Blizzard may make one feel a little self-righteous for a moment, but in the bigger picture, it's meaningless.

First, you are doing thousands of dollars a month of business. Theblizzard you speak of is in sales to other Christians. Will your paltry donations and vague political notions ease your guilty concious? I hope not! None the less, I'll pray for you to do the right thing. You will be convicted in prayer should you decide to seek the counsel of the Holy Spirit.

In Christ,

DrMike

22 posted on 06/17/2003 11:25:45 PM PDT by STD
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
#21...Does it get easier & easier to compromise?

When, may I ask, did you contribute time or money to a crisis pregnancy center?

..stand as witness in front of an abortion clinic?

...work to elect a pro-life candidate?

...I think I know the answer.

23 posted on 06/18/2003 4:48:58 AM PDT by Guenevere (...a Florida resident for almost 30 years!!)
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
When I was researching this issue, I found it totally weird that the richest people on the planet are so into this global population control thing -- Buffett, the Packards (Hewlitt-Packard), Ted Turner, even Bill Gates. What on earth are these people afraid of??

Somebody else becoming richer than them?

25 posted on 06/18/2003 6:11:46 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
Doris didn't have a few top lieutenants she could have trained to manage her venture while she slipped into retirement? Now she will have a lot of work to do after the business dips, she takes it back and after having lost some great gals because of Buffet.

Phyllis Schlafly is in a different sort of organization, but she has some tremendous 'clones' who will do the job when she is no longer able to carry on. Doris should've tapped into the women who helped her to make Pampered Chef a great business.

28 posted on 06/18/2003 7:06:54 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
This post is directed really at you and the others who disagree with you. I see both sides of the situation, I don't think you should get slammed right away and I don't think that for sure you're blameless.

I agree with the person who said that we're not ultimately morally responsible for what somebody does with money after we give it to them or purchase something from them. If my church does something wrong with the money I give them...well, I gave it in faith to God, and there's not much I can do about that. However, I'm not going to give them more after that (I'll find someone else), and if it's bad enough I won't even go to that church any more. Once you know, you need to be responsible.

I think it's the same with business. If I don't know what they're spending the money on, then I can't be held responsible. Once I know, I feel very responsible. Are you sure there are no other options? Why not switch to Partylites or Home and Garden Parties or something like that? You can still be a good example within the sell-from-home community without actually working for PC. There are many ways to stay at home, and if that is God's plan for you then he'll find a way for you to do it. Without compromising. Maybe if you switched the other companies would be just as bad, and you'd find out something about them, too. But at least you would have tried your best.

I don't think that all people always have to quit right away, just because a company has done something bad. I would give a church a chance, and I would give a business a chance. If someone worked for See's Candy, would they have to quit right away? No, I don't think so. They could try to have an impact there in the business, and try to rally other employees together to protest against where the money goes. It's easy for us to think up excuses for why we can stay, but there are legitimate reasons to stay as well, I think. You've just got to be sure you know when you are compromising and when you are honestly trying to make a difference.

If somebody doesn't agree that sometimes you do have to work for and help people who are not doing good things, then I think they are a bit hasty in their judgements. Sometimes you do get stuck in a bad situation for a while and you have to make the best of it. 2Smart2BLiberal may just be trying to do that, and I'm not going to cast the first stone and get all Holier Than Thou. What about Daniel and Joseph? They worked for some naughty bosses. They were stuck in that position, however, it wasn't like they could just leave. What about Matthew the tax collector? I didn't see Jesus telling him to quit...but he did call him a sinner in reference to him being a traitorous tax collector, so you can make the call on that one.

Now I am probably going to have to duck from some flames over this part, but I don't see what's the big deal about Pampered Chef, anyway. It's a bunch of overpriced stuff that mostly just clutters up my kitchen. I honestly couldn't sell such overpriced stuff with a good conscience. I would always be telling people to go buy it on sale at CookNStuff instead for 1/3rd the cost. That's why I'm not in sales.
30 posted on 06/18/2003 7:50:51 AM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
she realizes how important the long-term existence of Pampered Chef is to many, many families who rely on it for income, myself included

Are you contractually prevented from switching to distributing something else?

32 posted on 06/18/2003 7:57:28 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer looking for next gig)
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
Wow. That's not something I could do, even though I'm not a Christian. I was left sterile from an abortion 16 years ago. The pain it has caused me and even my husband (I won't be able to bear his namesake) makes it impossible for me to contribute even a little to abortionists.

Not buying a Blizzard may make one feel a little self-righteous for a moment, but in the bigger picture, it's meaningless.

Meaningless? Since when is the proper care of one's soul meaningless?

36 posted on 06/18/2003 11:16:59 AM PDT by stands2reason
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
Keep your chin up, and don't let these hypocrites get you down. You did the right thing by staying home with your children. If you boycotted every company that contributed to the abortion industry, you wouldn't buy another product again in your lifetime. Right now, you are taking care of your own home and your own family, just as God wills. Good job!
49 posted on 06/18/2003 12:31:23 PM PDT by Under the Radar
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To: 2Smart2BLiberal
Competition?
72 posted on 06/19/2003 9:06:26 AM PDT by Old Professer
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