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North’s air cargo: missiles (N. Korea now sends missiles to Iran by air)
JoongAng Daily ^ | 06/16/03 | Lee Chul-hee

Posted on 06/16/2003 2:51:17 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

North’s air cargo: missiles

North Korea has continued to export its missiles to a frequent buyer, Iran, South Korea and U.S. intelligence sources said yesterday. But the shipments are now going by air; the officials believe that the North switched to air shipments because one of its ships loaded with missiles was intercepted on its way to Yemen in December.

The new intelligence was apparently one of the reasons for the timing of the meeting last week in Spain, led by the United States, to discuss with other countries ways to cut off the proliferation of mass weapons.

The intelligence officials said the United States spotted Iran’s IL-76 Russian-made cargo aircraft leaving Sunan Airport in Pyeongyang on six occasions since April. Although the cargo was in containers, the officials said, they have concluded that the payload was disassembled Rodong missiles, the same type that were sold to Pakistan in 1998. The containers were too small, the sources said, for less-effective Scud missiles.

The Rodong missile has a range of 1,300 kilometers (800 miles). In 1987 and 1991, Iran imported North Korean-built Scuds.

“The Iranian cargo planes that took off from Sunan Airport flew over China and central Asian countries,” an intelligence source said. “The planes headed directly to Iran.”

The source also noted the frequency of the trips by the Iranian aircraft. “Until last year, Iran’s airplanes visited about twice a year at most,” he said.

Another intelligence source said, “Washington is trying to come up with measures to contain the North’s missile sales but avoid the international law dispute that broke out at the time of the interception of the North Korean ship, the Sosan.”

The United States has vowed publicly to try to stop North Korea’s exports of missiles and weapons of mass destruction. President George W. Bush proposed a “proliferation security initiative” to stop trade in weapons of mass destruction when he visited Poland on May 31. Since then, Washington has continued to emphasize the need for legal measures to contain weapons exports by the North.

The G-8 summit in France, the proliferation security initiative meeting in Spain and the trilateral meeting with Seoul and Tokyo, all held this month, were marked by strong U.S. comments about the necessity of blocking further North Korean weapons exports.

“North Korea has long argued that there are no legal grounds to stop its missile sales, but the United States is determined to push the containment of North Korea,” a Seoul official said on the condition of anonymity. “North Korea-U.S. relations may worsen further because of the proliferation security initiative.”

North Korea has a long history of exporting missiles; U.S.-Spanish joint operations led to the interception and search of the North Korean ship Sosan but raised concerns in the international community. Japan arrested a businessman Thursday for alleged exports of equipment that could help the North develop missiles.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airshipment; export; il76; iran; missiles; nkorea
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N. Korea is now FedExing missiles. This must be why U.S. is pushing for both sea and air interdiction:

N. Korea : Cracking Down on the Terror-Arms Trade

1 posted on 06/16/2003 2:51:17 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Re #1

Under the surface, Iran and N. Korea are furiously working together.

2 posted on 06/16/2003 2:54:34 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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China, our buddies, I just can't get over what our trade dollars buy us.

Have we gotten one single benefit out of the trade we have gifted them? Oh yes I guess we did get our plane back in pieces when that Russian aircraft dropped it off.
3 posted on 06/16/2003 2:59:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (France: Where your father went to win their freedom, so they could deficate on his memory & sacrific)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Yep! And I think China is right in it with them. I think China gifted NK with nukes.
4 posted on 06/16/2003 3:00:49 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (France: Walk on in and take it for a test drive.)
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China should shut down any air traffic into and out of N. Korea. It should hurry or things could run out of control.

5 posted on 06/16/2003 3:16:20 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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U.S. intelligence sources said yesterday...



For dependability, IMHO, that might as well say, "Scott Ritter said yesterday...". Quite frankly, I'm starting to wonder about Clinton's aspirin factory bombing. For all he might have known, he was bombing Chaos headquarters (I've been watching 'Get Smart'). What to believe, what to believe.
6 posted on 06/16/2003 3:30:02 AM PDT by KCmark (I am NOT a partisan.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Under the surface, Iran and N. Korea are furiously working together.

Maybe even on top, too.

7 posted on 06/16/2003 5:22:25 AM PDT by Amelia
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Have we gotten one single benefit out of the trade we have gifted them?

Supposedly we're helping the people improve their standard of living so that they can eventually throw off their oppressive government or something like that -- I sure hope they do it in time!

8 posted on 06/16/2003 5:24:16 AM PDT by Amelia
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Have we gotten one single benefit out of the trade we have gifted them?

Ok. I've started a business using an anvil I bought from Harbor Freight (Cheep Charlie Chinese "steel"). I buy steel from Texas Industries which employs 1500 people in Midlothian, Texas. I buy blacksmith coal which comes from mines in the Virginias. I had to build a studio out of steel and concrete, employing a crew of 5 Texans for several months. They used thousands of Radnor welding rods.....from Radnor PA.

I tell you this because I was astonished at how much domestic industrial activity was really "sparked" by that and was all really started back at the purchase of that stupid, cheap, communist made anvil.

I'll tell you something. American business and enterprise does not suffer because people like myself trade American Dollars to the Chinese for goods. America suffers today because people sit on their asses and complain and whine instead of contributing to the economic cycle that keeps everybody busy. So shut the hell up and go DO something productive, like I'm about to go do. I'm done with coffee, and you've made me mad!!!

9 posted on 06/16/2003 6:52:16 AM PDT by sam_paine
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Sorry, Amelia. #9 was primarily aimed at Doughty!!! MORE COFFEE!
10 posted on 06/16/2003 6:53:51 AM PDT by sam_paine
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America suffers today because people sit on their asses and complain and whine instead of contributing to the economic cycle that keeps everybody busy. So shut the hell up and go DO something productive, like I'm about to go do. I'm done with coffee, and you've made me mad!!"

I like this point as it seems that many of today's yutes have no idea that capitalism is what makes our world go round. Its like money grows on trees, man.

11 posted on 06/16/2003 6:58:07 AM PDT by Helms (Springer-Geraldo Ticket in 2008 (Hows That for an Appetite For Destruction ?))
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"(N. Korea now sends missiles to Iran by air)"


So why dont we send them a few of our own through the air?
12 posted on 06/16/2003 7:33:58 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State (Common sense is instinct, and enough of it is genius.)
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I tell you this because I was astonished at how much domestic industrial activity was really "sparked" by that and was all really started back at the purchase of that stupid, cheap, communist made anvil.

...American business and enterprise does not suffer because people like myself trade American Dollars to the Chinese for goods. America suffers today because people sit on their asses and complain and whine instead of contributing to the economic cycle that keeps everybody busy. So shut the hell up and go DO something productive, like I'm about to go do...

Good story, and good point!

I've got some fresh coffee here if you need a little more. ;-)

13 posted on 06/16/2003 7:36:29 AM PDT by Amelia
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LMAO Sam, if that's what you believe, you're welcome to that concept. It seems you think we close up factory after factory here so Chinese can be employed to spark employment in our nation. Problem is, most of the re-employment is in service jobs, the lowest end of the spectrum.

Thanks for the comments. Hope you enjoyed your coffee.
14 posted on 06/16/2003 11:05:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: TigerLikesRooster
And we just keep on taking to them.time to stop taking and take action befor it to late
15 posted on 06/16/2003 2:06:42 PM PDT by certify
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One of China’s biggest conglomerates, China North Industries Corp. (Norinco), was hit with an unprecedented two-year ban on exports to the US That will affect at least $100 million in goods annually — and possibly close to half a billion dollars if US Customs can identify all of Norincoo’s subsidiaries.

16 posted on 06/16/2003 2:19:02 PM PDT by anglian
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The sanctions followed two stern messages the State Department sent to Beijing last year, warning Norinco — China’s premier arms manufacturer — to stop selling rocket fuel and missile components to the Shahid Hemmat Industrial Group, the Iranian government agency in charge of developing and producing ballistic missiles. But, after years of toothless sanctions, the Chinese Foreign Ministry apparently believed they had little to fear and ignored the warnings.

17 posted on 06/16/2003 2:21:24 PM PDT by anglian
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It seems you think we close up factory after factory here so Chinese can be employed to spark employment in our nation.

Does it seem to you that we are choosing to close US factories, Doubty? Who is we??

Factory CEOs/owners/shareholders are making those decisions, as they should.

Let me frame this in a tax-morality light. It's interesting to ask what maximum percentage the government should be allowed to take of your income: 38%? 50%? Why not 100%?

So let's ask: "How much imports should "we" be allowed? 62%? 50.000%? 0%?"

Once we get to 50%, or "ZERO" trade deficit, should "we" close the borders? Who decides what value of exported steel vs. imported textiles is a "fair" trade? The government? Or the buyers?

What boundaries should be protected? Should Rhode Island be protected from Oklahoma oil fields? Should Kansas be protected from California's semiconductor exports? Why should Mike Dell and Carly Fiorina be allowed to transfer most of America's PC development jobs to Austin and Houston? It's not fair to the Gateway folks who lost their jobs in Sioux City, South Dakota!

And then, why should cities not be protected? Should Corsicana, Texas withhold fruitcake exports to Seattle until Starbucks agrees to drop its prices for Joe?

[Enjoying more coffee this morning, thankyouverymuch!]

18 posted on 06/17/2003 6:33:34 AM PDT by sam_paine
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IMO there are two problems with the trade you seem to think is appropriate.

Number one, the US represents less than 5% of the world's populace. If the rest of the world operated on the same relative wealth status the US did, I might not object as stridently to the international trade we are persuing. But it doesn't.

We are taking a one gallon bucket full of water, attaching it to a 50 gallon barrel with a hose, and wondering why the barrel isn't impacted more, and the bucket so empty. Essentially we have deflated our bucket. The downward pressure on jobs and salaries in the US is enormous. Couple this with the pressures of illegal immigration and H1-B and other visas, salaries in the US were bound to stagnate.

I don't like unions. I think they've had a bad impact on our nation's ability to compete. On the other end of the spectrum I think it's fair to say that we've gone to the extreme in the other direction.

There are other comments I could make along these lines, but I'm sure you've heard them all before.

The second problem I see is dealing with communist states like China. Why of all nations did we choose to prop up an economicly stagnant rogue nation like that? IMO we have sponsored a state that is destabalizing the word. I can't buy into that.
19 posted on 06/17/2003 8:55:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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P.S. Thanks for your comments.
20 posted on 06/17/2003 8:55:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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