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U.S. man who visited Toronto has SARS [N.C.]
Toronto Star ^ | Jun. 9, 2003

Posted on 06/09/2003 11:18:24 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater

Jun. 9, 2003. 10:23 PM
U.S. man who visited Toronto has SARS


FROM CANADIAN PRESS

U.S. officials confirmed today that Toronto has exported a case of SARS to the United States. To make matters worse, figuring out how the man caught the disease in the first place is stumping local SARS experts.

The man, a 47-year-old from North Carolina, developed fever and pneumonia late last month after a stay in Toronto during which he visited a patient in a health-care facility.

Two people who shared the room with the person he visited came down with SARS - but only several days after the man's visit.

The situation doesn't add up, said Dr. Allison McGeer, head of infection control at Mount Sinai Hospital and a key member of the SARS containment team.

"This story, at the moment, remains a bit of a mystery," she said.

The health-care facility, which McGeer would not name, is not Mount Sinai. Nor is it North York General, the epicentre of Toronto's second SARS outbreak and a place where, on selective wards, many people were falling ill at the time when the North Carolina man visited the city.

Confirmation of the case came from tests run by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, said Carol Schriber, a spokeswoman for North Carolina's department of health and human services.

The man is recuperating at home in isolation. None of his family members, who are also quarantined, has shown any symptoms of the disease.

"He is doing fine," Schriber said. "His symptoms are abating. . . . He was never hospitalized - he was never that ill."

While that is reassuring, the circumstances surrounding how he contracted SARS are not.

The man visited the Toronto facility in question on May 16 and 17. The patient he visited never contracted SARS. But two other people who shared the room later came down with the disease.

The dates of onset of symptoms for the two were May 21 and either May 22 or May 23 respectively, McGeer said.

"They give very clear stories of developing illness - there is no reason to doubt them," she said. "And their illness developed five and seven days after this patient in North Carolina was exposed."

People who come down with SARS aren't believed to be infectious until they are suffering symptoms of the disease. To be on the safe side, though, public health officials consider the 24 hours before symptoms set in as part of the infectious period when they are determining who has been exposed and who must go into quarantine.

Even that window wouldn't explain how the North Carolinan contracted SARS.

The two patients who went on to develop the disease had been exposed to it at another health-care centre before they transferred into the unnamed facility, McGeer said. So they were incubating the disease when the North Carolina man visited their room.

McGeer said the scenarios she can envisage don't explain this case:

- The man doesn't have SARS. "Clinically he's very convincing - there's no denying it."

- He had some other exposure in Toronto that officials here don't know about. McGeer said it "defies coincidence" to think that was the case.

- He was infected by a person who had SARS and was infectious but showed no symptoms. While some medical figures have hypothesized that this is possible, it's a scenario `that we've not seen before," McGeer said.

- One of the patients who developed SARS had a fever, but no other symptoms of SARS, several days before being transferred to the facility. Experts know some SARS patients experience very mild malaise in the hours or even day before full onset, a period called the disease's prodrome. Maybe this patient's prodrome was extremely protracted?

"But now we're talking about him having to have it (the prodrome) for days and days - and to be infectious," McGeer said.

"Again, a little unlikely."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada; Foreign Affairs; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: americansars; asymptomatic; canada; northcarolina; palehorse; sars; toronto
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U.S. officials CONFIRMED this North Carolina man today.

(It's also the first we've heard of it, I believe)

And [he may have been] infected by a person who had SARS and was infectious but showed no symptoms.

1 posted on 06/09/2003 11:18:24 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater
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ping
2 posted on 06/09/2003 11:20:13 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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And this from [Toronto] Hospitals rapped for SARS breaches

Nurses at Mount Sinai Hospital complain they were ordered not to comply with a directive requiring them to wear full protective gear. They say five infants, mothers and about 100 staffers would not be in quarantine now had the directive been followed.

3 posted on 06/09/2003 11:29:52 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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"And [he may have been] infected by a person who had SARS and was infectious but showed no symptoms. "

Apparently until now doctors thought that isn't happening. It is also strange that the person he went to visit didn't get SARS, but the other two did.
4 posted on 06/09/2003 11:44:50 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FL_engineer
And we are suppose to believe the Chinese have this under control.

No way.
5 posted on 06/09/2003 11:51:25 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: FairOpinion
It's been medical knowledge for years that a virus is most contagious prior to the onset of symptoms. Why would this virus be different?
6 posted on 06/09/2003 11:58:28 PM PDT by The Westerner
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"It's been medical knowledge for years that a virus is most contagious prior to the onset of symptoms. Why would this virus be different? "

Why are doctors saying that it isn't contagious prior to onset of symptoms? Perhaps they don't want to panic people. But I agree with you about the contagiousness.
7 posted on 06/10/2003 12:15:24 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: DB
SARS Mortality Rates [reflects treatment]
for 'PROBABLE' cases only
Based on World Health Organization daily tables                 (Revised:  Jun 09 pm)
Area Recoveries to date Deaths to date Recent** Death Rate Active Cases still in Danger Projected Future Deaths Projected Cumulative Mortality
China
[bogus]
4186 340 1.4% 802 11 6.6%
Taiwan
[bogus]
257 81 0.0% 342 0 11.9%
Hong Kong 1365 288 12.7% 100 13 17.2%
elsewhere
[30 countries]
472 75 17.9% 113 20 14.4%
**  Recent deaths are based on findings from the Imperial College of London......
that deaths take 12 days longer on average than recoveries on average.....
= (12-day recent deaths) / (12-day recent deaths + prior 12-day recoveries)

8 posted on 06/10/2003 1:13:25 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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SARS - Treatment/Containment tables - updated here
9 posted on 06/10/2003 1:19:07 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer
Have you ever seen such manipulated data? Geez, look at those bar charts... who do they think they are fooling?
10 posted on 06/10/2003 1:28:43 AM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: FL_engineer
Thanks for the detailed information and I agree with you.
11 posted on 06/10/2003 1:38:14 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: DB
Where do you think this is going? in a general sense, that is?
12 posted on 06/10/2003 2:30:09 AM PDT by desertsolitaire
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To: FL_engineer
The magnificent Canadian socialized health care system is busy tranforming Ontario into a permanent SARS plague zone.

Between forging death certificates, on-going governmental cover-ups, and third world ER standards, most cases coming into the US are from people stupid enough to have visited the SARS hell-hole of Toronto.

13 posted on 06/10/2003 2:45:09 AM PDT by friendly
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"The magnificent Canadian socialized health care system is busy tranforming Ontario into a permanent SARS plague zone."

Which means that this winter, the entire United States will be in the same condition thanks to the amount of commerce crossing from Ontario into the US. Thank you socialist idiots for every death you cause in the US. It's reason enough to terminate NAFTA.
14 posted on 06/10/2003 4:11:02 AM PDT by Beck_isright (When Senator Byrd landed on an aircraft carrier, the blacks were forced below shoveling coal...)
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bump

When there are SARS cases and no epidemiological link, then it's "out there" and definitely NOT under control.
15 posted on 06/10/2003 4:18:46 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Lead me not into tempation....I can find it by myself....)
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To: Judith Anne
Well, once it gets into the truck driver population in large numbers, all bets are off.
16 posted on 06/10/2003 4:21:15 AM PDT by Beck_isright (When Senator Byrd landed on an aircraft carrier, the blacks were forced below shoveling coal...)
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To: Beck_isright
I agree...
17 posted on 06/10/2003 4:23:40 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Lead me not into tempation....I can find it by myself....)
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Canada fears third wave of SARS: Nurses seek inquiry into handling of crisis.
18 posted on 06/10/2003 4:25:53 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
I'm going to post that article, aristeides. Thanks for the link and the ping.
19 posted on 06/10/2003 4:33:41 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Lead me not into tempation....I can find it by myself....)
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To: aristeides
Thanks for the ping. This is going to be a severe problem precisely due to mishandling by governments involved.
20 posted on 06/10/2003 4:45:21 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (De tal palo, tal astilla.)
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