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1 posted on 06/06/2003 9:14:10 PM PDT by Brian S
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Clearly these were icecream trucks. Scrubbed meticously clean to remove any evidence of. . . Saddam Hussein's secret new ice cream flavor.
2 posted on 06/06/2003 9:18:19 PM PDT by sackofcatfood
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Why is the Weapons of Mass Destruction even an issue? Saddam's alleged involvement in terrorism against the US was enough of a reason to go to war.
3 posted on 06/06/2003 9:19:51 PM PDT by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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The depth of dissent is hard to gauge. Even if it turns out to be a minority view, which seems likely, the skepticism is significant given the image of consensus that Washington has projected and the political reliance the administration has come to place on the mobile units.

Silly me, I actually thought that some of the bias would be gone once Raines left.
I was dreaming.

4 posted on 06/06/2003 9:20:08 PM PDT by Jean S
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Some analysts reject the New York Times!!!!!
6 posted on 06/06/2003 9:21:18 PM PDT by Bombard
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Did someone say the New York Times? Must be true then.
7 posted on 06/06/2003 9:26:16 PM PDT by Taxbilly
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Dear Skeptics:

So, what are they?
8 posted on 06/06/2003 9:26:29 PM PDT by Petronski (I"m not always cranky.)
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"Everyone has wanted to find the 'smoking gun' so much that they may have wanted to have reached this conclusion," said one intelligence expert who has seen the trailers and, like some others, spoke on condition that he not be identified. He added, "I am very upset with the process."

Heh. This could be the janitor, for all anyone knows ;).

9 posted on 06/06/2003 9:28:04 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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Mobile laboratories for weather balloons!
11 posted on 06/06/2003 9:30:12 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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"Could have", "maybe", "possibly", "you never know", "probably", "intelligence reports prove" .............. the same reasoning Hitler took over Germany about 70 years ago.
19 posted on 06/06/2003 9:38:36 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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we stand behind the assertions in the white paper."

Pending instructions to the contrary, at least.

20 posted on 06/06/2003 9:39:49 PM PDT by Romulus
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The very worst one can say about this report is that the intelligence was ambiguous and largely circumstantial, but with a majority of analysts still fearing the worst.

Okay, you are the President of the United States, responsible for the national security of a nation of 280 million in the post 9/11 world. Saddam and his regime are pyschopaths, they are a terrorist organization, they support other terrorist organizations, they have developed and used WMDs before, they are suspected of attempting to acquire and use these weapons again, and they failed to cooperate fully and proactively with Resolution 1441 even though their very survival was at stake.

Given these circumstances, do you give Saddam the benefit of the doubt, thus assuming the risk of a future WMD attack if you happen to be wrong? Or do you assume the worst unless and until proven otherwise, with the side effects of of a "mistake" nevertheless including (1) eliminating said psycopaths with extreme prejudice, (2) enforcing the Bush Doctrine (and sending a message to other wannabe rouge states who support terrorism, such as Syria and Iran), (3) eliminating the underlying threat of WMDs, and (4) liberating a nation of over 24 million people?

This one should be a no-brainer. In fact, it was.

24 posted on 06/06/2003 9:48:39 PM PDT by kesg
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The funny part of the whole WMD fiasco is that it actually proves the veracity of the Bush contention. It would have been ridiculously easy for US and Britain to have faked evidence, which had and has been implied by the opposition since day one.

When the actual evidence turns up, and I'm very confident that it will, the opposition will contend it is fake, just like with these labs.

And they have no position other that anti-US idiocy.
28 posted on 06/06/2003 10:08:44 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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If these are not the mobile labs, then where are they. The mobile labs were reported by defectors who described what they looked like and the trucks we found matched that description.
30 posted on 06/06/2003 10:26:38 PM PDT by McGavin999
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Clearly these were mobile poodle washing trucks for the poor.
36 posted on 06/06/2003 10:59:44 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Easy to fix.

Get a team of experts in anthrax production to go there and make anthrax with the equipment on that truck. If they can do so, then there you have it.

37 posted on 06/06/2003 11:06:06 PM PDT by HatSteel
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Obviously, these mobile bars were to share carefully concocted libations with the down trodden in far reaching areas of Iraq. The secret compartment and devices inside were to make certain that the high octane cocktails were a well kept secret in elite Iraqi bartending circles. And then a monkey crawls out of the man's butt.
39 posted on 06/06/2003 11:11:19 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: pttttt; cgk; FairOpinion; Fred Mertz; jpl; oceanview; riri; Mitchell; bonfire; Alamo-Girl
 

One of these two photographs depicts an elaborate piece of stagecraft featuring an actor playing the role of his life in an extraordinary charade calculated to distract a gullible public from the embarassing reality of a catastrophic failure in national defense planning. The other is a picture of Saddam Hussein.

40 posted on 06/07/2003 12:13:29 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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The skeptics noted further that the mobile plants had a means of easily extracting gas. Iraqi scientists have said the trailers were used to produce hydrogen for weather balloons. While the white paper dismisses that as a cover story, some analysts see the Iraqi explanation as potentially credible.

A senior administration official conceded that "some analysts give the hydrogen claim more credence." But he asserted that the majority still linked the Iraqi trailers to germ weapons.

Whatever the roles of these truck trailers turn out to be, this "hydrogen" idea sounds bogus and sounds like more deception. While other processes are being researched; e.g. for fuel cells, most bulk industrial hydrogen is now generally produced in oil refineries, in a fixed plant. Seemed to me like Iraq had some of these...

See http://www.greatachievements.org/greatachievements/ga_17_2.htm:

Since World War II the demand for light products (gasoline, jet, and diesel fuels) has grown, while the requirement for heavy industrial fuel oils has declined. In 1947, a process called "platforming" introduced platinum as a catalyst in the refining process. This resulted in fewer emissions, removed much of the sulfur and other contaminants, and generated significant amounts of hydrogen and other raw materials used to manufacture plastics. The availability of hydrogen was one of the most far-reaching developments of the refining industry in the 1950s. Since 1980, hydrogen processing has become so prominent that many refineries now incorporate hydrogen manufacturing plants in their processing schemes.

42 posted on 06/07/2003 4:05:58 AM PDT by pttttt
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We know if the hydrogen excuse is valid or not. Hydrogen molecules H2 are so small that they permeate everything. The walls of the vessels in the vehicles and the piping would show hydrogen permeation if they were used for that purpose.

Thinking my point through a bit more, doing it as an imaginary debate between competing analysts:

Analyst 1: It was a weapons lab. The hydrogen excuse doesn't work, because the metals in the vehicle show no sign of being exposed to hydrogen for any period of time.

Analyst 2: They show no sign of being exposed to biological agents either. Besides, one of the two we have in hand was obviously just constructed, and may not even have been finished. It is possible that these were constructed for the processing of hydrogen for weather balloons, but not yet used.

Analyst 1: That is possible, but it is so unlikely as to defy credulity. The Iraqis did not say they were building these vehicles to process hydrogen, they said that the vehicles they had were used to produce hydrogen for weather balloons. So by their own words, they had been using such vehicles. Where are the vehicles they were using for the purpose of gassing up weather balloons? Why have we not found any of these vehicles showing permeation of the vessels with hydrogen?

Analyst 2: I don't know, but I object to jumping to a conclusion because we have not found counter evidence. I concede we have found no evidence to support the claim they were used to produce hydrogen. But we have found no evidence to support the claim they were used to produce bioweapons.

Analyst 1: The difference is, they have an interest in hiding the vehicles from inspection if they were used for weaponry. No such interest exists if they were used for hydrogen processing. They clearly were not open to letting us inspect the vehicles (and accounting for all of them) prior to the war. And we still have not found any that were used for hydrogen processing. If they were telling the truth, they would be there for us to find. The only explanation that makes sense is that they had them, they were used for evil purposes, and then they either hid them or destroyed them.

Analyst 2: But that isn't the only possibility. As bizarre as it sounds, they may have had them for benign purposes and on principle hid them from us.

My mindset is along that of my fictional analyst 1.
50 posted on 06/07/2003 7:19:11 AM PDT by William McKinley
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So, lemme get this straight.

A couple of plastic washtubs with holes in them are found in a Maryland pond, and this constitutes 'evidence' Hatfill may have used them to make the postal anthrax.

Two hidden Iraqi tractor trailer trucks - identical to the ones illustrated to the UN by Secretary Powell - with obvious fermenters and other bio-manufacturing gear are found intact in Iraq and unnamed 'skeptics' have 'serious doubts' they were used for what they obviously were intended for.

Only in places like New York Times Alternate Liberal Universe does cooking up such bullshiite come so easily!

54 posted on 06/07/2003 8:03:47 AM PDT by Gritty
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