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Is the United States flat-out broke? Feds deny report
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, June 6, 2003 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 06/06/2003 12:53:31 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

When the government announced this year its publicly held debt was in the neighborhood of $3.6 trillion, it was quoting a figure that "ignores massive imbalances" in other mandatory spending programs – such as Medicare and Social Security – which actually inflate the national debt by a factor of 10, according to published accounts.

Dallas Morning News columnist Scott Burns wrote June 1 that the government's debt is actually "a mind-numbing $43 trillion," hinting that data was left out of the current budget document because it may have hurt President Bush's chances to sell a tax cut to the American people.

In his column, Burns said he met in January with Boston University economist Dr. Laurence J. Kotlikoff at a restaurant in Sante Fe, N.M., shortly after John Snow had been named to replace Paul O'Neill as secretary of the treasury. Burns said he met Kotlikoff as part of his work on a new book project.

The newspaper columnist said Kotlikoff received a phone call as they were leaving the restaurant informing him that "six months of work by two economists was going to be deleted from the president's budget," which was to be published in February.

"The material to be deleted from the budget document was an updating of generational accounting. Mr. O'Neill had requested an estimate of the true, long-term obligations of the U.S. government," Burns wrote.

The estimate reportedly was to include the U.S. treasury's formal debt as well as the government's pledge to provide retirement income and medical care.

"The resulting information might easily have been lost in a document whose online girth is measured in megabytes," Burns said. "Except for one thing. The new accounting shows the United States is broke."

Burns said the data showed that the government's actual obligations "are 10 times larger than the treasury debt held by the public." And it showed the current value of "these unfunded obligations is a mind-numbing $43 trillion."

The newspaper columnist said he called Dr. Jagadeesh Gokhale, the economist who had called Kotlikoff that night in January, to ask why he thought his work was eliminated from the budget estimates.

Gokhale, who is a senior economist for the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, "was circumspect," Burns said. "He suggested that the figures were a surprise to the new treasury secretary."

But Burns saw another angle.

"Mr. Snow's first task was to sell the president's tax cut," he wrote. "The sales job would be awkward if an official government document announced we were already $43 trillion in the hole."

Burns said the Federal Reserve has put the net worth of all U.S. households at just $40.6 trillion. "This problem," therefore, "goes way beyond whether to tax the rich, the poor or the middle-income," he said.

"Republicans and Democrats have distracted us with unending battles between haves and have-nots for decades. Over the same period, they have bankrupted the country," Burns wrote.

He also said the real budget estimates could be why the U.S. stock market fell, rather than rose, on news the president had signed the $350 billion tax cut last month.

In early March, the other economist on the project, Dr. Kent Smetters, testified before a subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee, Burns wrote.

Smetters told the subcommittee: "The government reports that the national debt in 2003 was about $3.6 trillion in the form of government 'debt held by the public.' But that number ignores massive imbalances in Medicare and Social Security programs and the government's other programs.

"When the liabilities associated with those programs are taken into account, the nation's fiscal policy is currently off-balance by over $43.4 trillion in present value, a number that is not reported in standard budget documents," he told the subcommittee.

Smetters also said he supports "practically any effort to make it harder for one generation to pass large fiscal burdens to future generations."

Rejecting business as usual

The Bush administration has said it is concerned about the federal debt and is focused on controlling spending, despite increases in the federal budget in each of the president's years in office. And in defense of White House fiscal policy, administration officials also discounted the information contained in Burns' column.

Budget Director Mitch Daniels, in a joint statement with then-Treasury Secretary O'Neill Oct. 24, 2002, said the "surge" of revenue toward the end of the last decade was temporary, and that new defense and homeland security expenditures were needed.

"Given these two developments," he said, "it is absolutely essential that we set aside business as usual and keep tight control over all other spending." Last fiscal year's budget deficit was $159 billion, according to Treasury data. Treasury officials say the deficit this year may approach $300 billion.

Rob Nichols, a spokesman for the Treasury Department, told WorldNetDaily that the figures cited by Burns initially came from a report in London's Financial Times, but that the story was "completely inaccurate and false."

While Smetters used a similar shortfall number as Burns – $43 trillion – Nichols was not critical of his testimony.

Nichols said Smetters – a former Treasury official – upon leaving the department "wrote a pretty thoughtful, comprehensive look at where [the government's] liabilities are, pertaining to entitlements – the real deficit challenge."

"We actually don't disagree with many of his conclusions," said Nichols, "but the report that we 'shelved' data to pass the recent jobs growth plan, that's just inaccurate."

He said Smetters and another colleague "were set to publish" their work, but it had not been released yet.

Entitlement crisis

Betsy Holahan, another Treasury spokesperson, directed WorldNetDaily to an Office of Management and Budget report online entitled, "The Real Fiscal Danger." That report quotes David Walker, comptroller general of the United States, and the Interim Report of the President's Commission to Strengthen Social Security discussing the need to reform both Medicare and Social Security.

"The current system is financially unsustainable. Without reform, the promise of Social Security to future retirees cannot be met without eventual resort to benefit cuts, tax increases or massive borrowing," said the August 2001 Social Security report. "The time to act is now."

"Without meaningful reform, the long-term financial outlook for Medicare is bleak. ...When viewed from the perspective of the entire budget and the economy, the growth in Medicare spending will become progressively unsustainable over the longer term," said Walker.

The "fiscal danger" report says current deficits are manageable, but notes the government is far more concerned about funding its major entitlement programs.

"… Whatever judgment one reaches about the deficit of this year or even the next several years combined, these deficits are tiny compared to the far larger built-in deficits that will be generated by structural problems in our largest entitlement programs," it said.

"Citizens and policymakers rightly monitor and debate the size of the national debt, which stands at $3.5 trillion in public hands, with another $2.7 trillion credited to various government trust funds," the report said. "But in 2002, the combined shortfall in Social Security and Medicare of nearly $18 trillion was about five times as large as today's publicly held national debt," or "roughly the equivalent of the total income Americans will earn over the next year and a half."

"Despite the enormous revenue flows into Social Security and Medicare, totaling $729 billion in 2002, these programs are going to spiral out of control," the report stated.

Worse, lawmakers have promised to send to President Bush a new Medicare prescription drug benefit this year that will inflate the anticipated shortfalls for that line item. Currently, the government provides benefits for 39 million seniors, or 14 percent of the U.S. population. And with the "baby boom" generation expected to begin retiring in massive numbers in a few years, the costs – and debt – could skyrocket.

"Americans have often heard that Social Security and Medicare are in deep trouble financially, and the simple reason is that the benefits promised under these programs will soon far outstrip their dedicated revenues," the report said. "Over the long term, the actuaries of the Social Security Administration project that the cost of all benefits paid to current beneficiaries and promised to future retirees exceed Social Security revenues by almost $5 trillion. The Medicare shortfall is even worse at more than $13 trillion."

Others economists are also concerned about future generations inheriting mountains of debt. Milton Ezrati, senior economist and strategist with Lord Abbett & Co., told Dow Jones Newswires that while today's government deficits aren't troubling, they could be down the road.

The deficit for fiscal year 2003 is expected to total 3.5 percent of GDP, down from the 6 percent of GDP it comprised during part of the Reagan years. Ezrati said the current deficits would begin to be a problem if they began to approach 6 percent again.

But he also said that while recent tax cuts would not have an immediate effect on the economy, on balance they should at least stimulate the economy, which would benefit the country over time. The White House has said its tax cuts are aimed at boosting economic activity.

Trent Duffy, an Office of Management and Budget spokesman, told WorldNetDaily the long-term impact of unfunded entitlements is of a "primary concern" to President Bush.

"The Bush administration has been trying desperately to shed the spotlight on this very issue because of the seriousness of it," he said. "The reason why he's trying to work so hard to modernize and strengthen Social Security and Medicare is this very issue."

Duffy also defended the president's recent tax cuts.

"Surpluses don't create balanced budgets," he told WorldNetDaily. "But growth creates surpluses, not the other way around. So it's most important for the federal government and the American people to get the economy growing."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: tinfoilcentral
Friday, June 6, 2003

Quote of the Day by scarab9

1 posted on 06/06/2003 12:53:31 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
43 trillion???

DAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMN!!!

2 posted on 06/06/2003 1:01:00 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I don't feel so bad about California now!
3 posted on 06/06/2003 1:03:38 AM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: JohnHuang2
Is the United States flat-out broke?

Pretty much. Yep.

4 posted on 06/06/2003 1:22:36 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: JohnHuang2
Wonderful. I assume the 18 trillion for Social Security/Medicare is the program's lifetime liability?
5 posted on 06/06/2003 1:39:50 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
No problemo . . . the Feds will just print more paper currency.

This does not worry me at all. By the time the public really wakes up we will be in the grip of full-scale deflation. People will be more worried that their houses are losing value rapidly. As for me, I will be happily looking for great bargains in automobiles.

The real estate bubble is about to bust.

6 posted on 06/06/2003 1:52:10 AM PDT by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: ex-Texan
The real estate bubble is about to bust.

I wouldn't be holding my breath on that one

7 posted on 06/06/2003 2:00:11 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Right. This has nothing to do with real estate values.

It is also incorrect to compare Medicare, or even Social Security, liability to a government bond. "Mandatory" spending may be a bitch, but it is only legislation, and can be legislated away.

For example, the following law: "Social Security retirement age shall be 75." Pass that law, and, voila, Social Security is fine for another 15 years, at least. You could also start encouraging people to smoke more and die sooner.

You can't legislate an actual debt away (at least not without pissing off the people you borrow from, and governments know those are the most important people NOT to piss off).

8 posted on 06/06/2003 2:35:30 AM PDT by eno_
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To: AntiGuv
No problem here, we just have to renege on the Liberals’ promises of lifelong support and succor.

It's easy. The French and Germans are doing it right now. The strikes are into their fourth or fifth week. The poor souls don't know what to do without nanny government filling, inspecting, medicating and wiping their various orifices, so they strike in disappointment.

Too bad the Liberals lack the intelligence and maturity to recognize these obvious problems.

BTW – Sarbanes-Oxley will help uncover some of these problems (under funded commitments) in private business. It's a shame the federal and state politicians haven’t got the courage to hold themselves to the same standard.

Oh well, government as usual.
9 posted on 06/06/2003 2:47:01 AM PDT by LiberationIT ("Okay ladies squeeze em out and put em in government day care. We'll handle the rest." H. Clinton)
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To: JohnHuang2
Nope. If the feds ever need to do so, they can just print up the multi trillions of dollars needed and turn it over to their lenders. At which point, no longer in debt. Not broke at all.

Of course....that action might have some affect on the value of the dollars that you have in your bank account and all your dollar denominated assets, but what the heck.

10 posted on 06/06/2003 8:21:20 AM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: TLBSHOW; MissAmericanPie; RLK; Mortimer Snavely
the government's debt is actually "a mind-numbing $43 trillion,"


THE REAL FISCAL DANGER

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/danger.html

"The current system is financially unsustainable."


THE BUSH/GOP SMALL LIMITED GOVERNMENT SPENDING PRINCIPLES


HOW BIG IS THE GOVERNMENT'S DEBT?


"Congress isn't saying no to anybody right now," said Riedl. "Federal spending per American household is now at $21,000 annually."


Honey, don't you think
it's great how President Bush
and Congress have spending and fiscal
responsibility under control. Yes, did you see
Laura kiss the President today?

11 posted on 06/12/2003 9:08:50 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: philman_36; sarcasm; RLK
"Republicans and Democrats have distracted us with unending battles between haves and have-nots for decades. Over the same period, they have bankrupted the country,"
Source

Senate Panel Adds Drug Benefits in Medicare Overhaul - June 13, 2003
"An influential Senate committee tonight approved the biggest expansion of Medicare in its 38-year history, with an overwhelming bipartisan vote to add prescription drug benefits....The bill would increase federal spending by $400 billion.."

Bush Urges Congress to Deliver on Prescription Drugs for Medicare

Of Medical Marxism

12 posted on 06/12/2003 9:42:49 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
"...growth creates surpluses, not the other way around..."

No one's supposed to be able to understand this. Sshhhh!

13 posted on 06/12/2003 10:13:27 PM PDT by Mortimer Snavely (Is anyone else tired of reading these tag lines?)
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To: Uncle Bill
Smells like a pot of strong coffee is brewing. One sip when it's brewed and it'll open eyes.
Of course, the dribble glass that the hot coffee will be served in will bring even more looks of reproach.

It has been a long time coming.

14 posted on 06/13/2003 12:28:14 AM PDT by philman_36
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