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WHO mum on rumoured SARS cases (New Canadian Export--my title)
CNEWS ^ | June 4, 2003 | Helen Branswell

Posted on 06/04/2003 10:42:39 AM PDT by Judith Anne

TORONTO (CP) -- The World Health Organization said Wednesday it won't share details of rumoured exported SARS cases from Toronto unless it can determine there is some substance to the claims.

WHO spokesman Dick Thompson said the organization wants to determine whether there is any "there there" before it bothers Canadian officials with the alleged exported cases.

"I think first what we need to do is to make sure that these are real cases," Thompson, director of communications for the communicable diseases branch, said from Geneva.

"I mean, if there's any there there, I'm sure that Health Canada will know about it. If there are any real cases there, then the next steps will be made. But right now these are just rumours."

The decision not to talk about rumoured exported cases until there is evidence of SARS is an attempt by the WHO to ensure the situation that occurred during Toronto's first outbreak -- where virtually everyone who visited the city and went home with the sniffles was declared a probable SARS case -- doesn't happen again.

"Exactly. Exactly," Thompson said.

On a related issue, WHO officials discussed again Wednesday whether Toronto's latest SARS outbreak required the organization to issue a second travel advisory for the city.

Again, the group decided against it. "No change," Thompson said.

Countries which report possible SARS cases caught in Toronto are being asked to do PCR -- polymerase chain reaction -- tests for the SARS coronavirus on the ill individual before the WHO goes public with the information, he said.

The new rumours of possible exported cases came to light Tuesday, when Thompson's colleague, Maria Cheng, revealed the WHO is again hearing claims that citizens from other countries have contracted SARS while visiting Toronto.

Cheng and Thompson refused to disclose any details about the rumoured cases, other to say that there were only "a couple" at that point.

"The aim is to clarify whether these are truly cases . . . before moving on. So it makes no sense to talk about rumours," Thompson said.

One of the criteria the WHO uses when deciding whether to issue a travel advisory for a city or an area is whether the jurisdiction is exporting cases of SARS.

Reports of exported cases seemed to tip the balance April 23 when the WHO issued an advisory warning people to avoid all unnecessary travel to Toronto. That travel advisory, which was lifted less than a week later, has cost the city hundreds of millions of dollars in lost tourism and convention business.

During Toronto's first SARS outbreak, officials here expressed deep frustration at the time and effort their already stretched team of public health investigators had to expend tracking the movements of the alleged exported cases.

In all but two cases, investigations showed the individuals could not have contracted SARS because they were never in contact with someone suffering from the disease.

Ontario's commissioner of public security, who is one of the leaders of the SARS containment team, said it put officials here in the awkward position of trying to disprove "something that didn't happen."

"What it does, in fact, when we're busy doing other things is it consumes enormous amounts of resources, chasing down nothing," Dr. James Young said Tuesday.

Ontario and Health Canada officials were caught off guard by the new allegations of exported cases. Health Canada's point man on SARS, Dr. Paul Gully, complained the WHO hadn't raised the issue during a teleconference earlier in the day.


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There are a couple of things I disagree with in this article...
1 posted on 06/04/2003 10:42:39 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: aristeides; blam; riri; flutters; backhoe; per loin; FL_engineer; Prince Charles; CathyRyan; ...
ping.
2 posted on 06/04/2003 10:43:49 AM PDT by Judith Anne (The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.)
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To: Judith Anne
What do you disagree with?
3 posted on 06/04/2003 10:46:27 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
For one:

The decision not to talk about rumoured exported cases until there is evidence of SARS is an attempt by the WHO to ensure the situation that occurred during Toronto's first outbreak -- where virtually everyone who visited the city and went home with the sniffles was declared a probable SARS case -- doesn't happen again.

4 posted on 06/04/2003 10:48:24 AM PDT by Judith Anne (The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.)
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For another:

In all but two cases, investigations showed the individuals could not have contracted SARS because they were never in contact with someone suffering from the disease.

5 posted on 06/04/2003 10:49:20 AM PDT by Judith Anne (The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.)
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And for yet another, consider that these are the same people who didn't know a guy died of SARS until they did a postmortem, didn't listen to the nurses who warned them about active SARS cases when they had declared the travel advisory a thing of the past, and now are doing everything possible to avoid another travel advisory in the middle of an outbreak that may or may not have peaked.

</off run-on sentence. ;-D
6 posted on 06/04/2003 10:51:44 AM PDT by Judith Anne (The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.)
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SARS Test Development Slower Than Hoped.
7 posted on 06/04/2003 11:08:55 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Judith Anne
"One of the criteria the WHO uses when deciding whether to issue a travel advisory for a city or an area is whether the jurisdiction is exporting cases of SARS."

They want to be real careful before they issue a travel advisory. The reputation of WHO is hanging on this decision.

8 posted on 06/04/2003 1:13:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Some people's lives may also be hanging on that decision.
9 posted on 06/04/2003 4:56:35 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: blam; Judith Anne
Not sure if you are interested, but I feel it is strange development. Last I posted my neighbor was on day 12 with fever and they were admitting him into hospital. Doctors had no clue what was wrong but no cough and lungs were clear.

That was Monday morning.

I just talked with his wife. He is still in the hospital. His lungs are filled with liquid and his liver is failing. Any input?

I am starting to get a little more freaked out, to be honest.

10 posted on 06/04/2003 5:04:16 PM PDT by riri
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What is the latest information on the incubation period for this thing? I keep reading two to ten days but haven't they lengthened it?
11 posted on 06/04/2003 5:09:59 PM PDT by riri
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"Any input?"

Stay away from him.

12 posted on 06/04/2003 5:12:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: riri
I noticed you used "into hospital" vs. "into the hospital", not typical American syntax. Are you in Canada? Did he travel to any hot spots? How is his family doing? Did/do you have contact with his family?

If you are not in or near a SARS hot zone, and he never traveled in or near one I think the odds of him having SARS is close to zero. I wish him luck though, young guy with a family if I remember corectly.
13 posted on 06/04/2003 5:26:45 PM PDT by IYAAYAS (Live free or die trying)
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To: riri
SARS Reference gives incubation period as 2 to 10 days.
14 posted on 06/04/2003 5:52:24 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: IYAAYAS
No, I am in Arizona.

Logically, ofcourse, I keep saying he can't have SARS.

He is some type of activities coordinator at a senior rec center. So, I am not exactly sure who he comes into contact with.

Last time we had any close contact with the family (not him) was 8 days ago. However, 14 days out and no other family members are exhibiting any symptoms.

It is awfully strange. This is an, up to 3 weeks ago, 37 year old healthy man who is looking like he may die.

15 posted on 06/04/2003 6:48:48 PM PDT by riri
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To: riri
I'm not an MD but the symptoms could be a million different things. SARS is one of the least likely. If he were a friend of mine I wouldn't think twice about a visit.
16 posted on 06/04/2003 8:33:14 PM PDT by IYAAYAS (Live free or die trying)
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To: IYAAYAS
Probably right. I did a little research this morning and I see how common developing pneumonia once in the hospital is. I never knew this.

I am now completely petrified to ever be hospitalized. Because now I am convinced whatever he has was completely worsened by going into the hospital.

17 posted on 06/05/2003 7:59:43 AM PDT by riri
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riri, anything is possible, but I doubt that, seriously. A lot of patients with pneumonia have no cough at all, at first...even normal looking x-rays at first--remember, you told us that his wife said he had 104 fever one night? He was sick long before he went into the hospital...
18 posted on 06/05/2003 8:58:32 AM PDT by Judith Anne (The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.)
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To: riri
Pneumonia is a very strange thing. I had double pneumonia while I was in the AF and didn't even know it. People in my career field were under orders to see a doctor at the slightist sign of illness, I felt a little sick and saw the doctor. During the part where they listen to you breath he heard something and sent me for x-rays. I had double pneumonia but felt like I had a very light cold. I was given 10 days sick leave and antibiotics. I spent 10 days at home and never really felt sick.
19 posted on 06/05/2003 11:15:34 AM PDT by IYAAYAS (Live free or die trying)
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To: IYAAYAS
That sounds ominous, I wasn't experimented on or anything.
I was remodeling a 150 yo house at the time, tearing down a lot of walls full of old mouse nests, stiring up dust etc.. Not an uncommon way to get pneumonia I've been told. ALWAYS wear a dust mask!
The type where you don't get sick is sometimes refered to as walking pneumonia, which is what I had.
20 posted on 06/05/2003 11:20:46 AM PDT by IYAAYAS (Live free or die trying)
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