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Will Camera-Phones Be Used To Humiliate Ordinary People? (Or RAT Politicians? Hee hee hee!)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | June 2, 2003 | Dennis K. Berman

Posted on 06/01/2003 9:11:26 PM PDT by Timesink

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:49:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Prime time airwaves have been awash with images of subprime modern behavior: First came the snapshots of the Iowa State men's basketball coach downing beers at a fraternity party, next was the grainy video of a girls' football game at Chicago's Glenbrook North High School degrading into feces-hurling hazing.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; cameraphones; littlebrother

Hi Hillary!


1 posted on 06/01/2003 9:11:26 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Science-fiction writer David Brin argues that giving everyday people access to technology like camera-phones is the only way to hold government's own surveillance plans in check.

Brin's Transparant Society is a great book (well, it's a really good book at least)- I'd recommend it. He makes a pretty powerful argument for his viewpoint.

As far as these cameras go- this is merely the beginning. As bandwidth increases and the gadgets improve, what you see at any given moment could be constantly recorded, saved to disk or sent to a friend. I suppose one day, we might develop this novelty to the point where you could "allow" access (if you so chose) to your "point of view" to anyone else at any time. Imagine wondering what's going on in, say- Cape Town. You access the net (where ever you are- on the street, in the park on the beach etc), run a quick search for users currently "online" in Cape Town and start looking at their perspectives of the city- shifting perspectives, "jumping" from one user to the next to experience the city from many different angles. Sound and statistical data would also be a logical add-on. Obviously, a user could unplug his point of view from the net whenever he wanted.

Some other applications of such a device would be as a personal safety system. Getting mugged? Show your attacker's face to several million of your close friends (and the police). He'd have no hope of getting away with it. The same for your kids- a kidnapper would have to be especially wary of such a device.

Possibilities are endless. Scary possibilities, true, but exciting ones as well. What's inevitable is- it's coming.

2 posted on 06/01/2003 9:39:28 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
I like the idea of photographing cameras at places like malls. Do it for a while, and the snoops will send down some models for you to photograph too. After all, their cameras have a right to privacy, but you, as a permitted entrant to spend your money, have no right to not be photographed.
3 posted on 06/01/2003 9:47:51 PM PDT by donmeaker (Time is Relative, at least in my family.)
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To: Timesink
I've got one of these too. The Nokia 3650 does everything but bake muffins. It has both Bluetooth AND infrared, allowing one to get pictures and videos out fast to your PC or Mac. The resolution is only 640 x 480, but it's ideal for places where you want a camera to be unobtrusive.

And guess what - it even makes phone calls!

4 posted on 06/01/2003 11:11:53 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: BlazingArizona
Does it have polyphonic ring tones and such? I'm seriously considering getting one. How annoying is that circular phone pad?
5 posted on 06/01/2003 11:30:25 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: All
The Eye in the Sky... looking at *You* - thread II
6 posted on 06/02/2003 1:45:02 AM PDT by backhoe (Smile! You're on Candid Camera!)
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To: Timesink
LOL!
7 posted on 06/02/2003 1:48:05 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Prodigal Son
Man, this is nuts, I won't be able to take a p!ss behind a garbage bin when drunk anymore.

Seriously, I have problem with these camera, the internet is my big brother type thing.
8 posted on 06/02/2003 1:49:26 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
As do I, but the way things look- it is inevitable. If it is indeed inevitable, perhaps David Brin is right- better we're all armed with this technology than having a more one-sided arrangement that only the gov't or financial elite can use.

He talks a lot about anonymity and privacy. For example, you are never so anonymous as you are on a crowded street. Sure, people could look at you, but why would anyone look at you in particular? And it's usually more embarrassing to get caught looking at another than to be looked at. It's the safety in numbers argument. Another way of viewing that problem is to imagine being the only one on a nude beach wearing a bathing suit. More people would look at you then than if you were in the buff as well (the bathing suit being a metaphor for a "wall of privacy").

He reckons the concept of privacy will continually be distorted to the point where only those who can afford the most expensive encryption will be able to enjoy it- ie privacy will be a luxury. The Mafia, the State and Mega Corporations will be able to enjoy total privacy- from you and from any other source of accountability- but the average Joe won't be able to have any privacy at all.

Another key here to is if we equate secrecy with privacy. There is a subtle but distinct difference between the two and he does a pretty good job illustrating that difference and spelling out the implications of legislating for one's perceived right to secrecy when we should rather protect privacy instead.

For sure, it's a sticky issue (privacy/secrecy and technological advances). Brin offers a pragmatic look at the problem that doesn't sit will with everyone but he does have a point when he says this phenomenom is coming and short of banning all further advances in certain fields of technology, there is practically nothing we can do to stop it. Better, perhaps, to come up with solutions that allow us to work and live with the technology (if it's inevitable anyway) than to revert to Luddism. In a few more years, the gov't will have deployed cameras that you won't be able to detect- they'll be too small. What are we going to do then?

9 posted on 06/02/2003 4:26:10 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Timesink
This suggests to me that such a phone would be a good thing to have in the car as a defense against cop abuse. Or when going through the TSA gauntlet in airports.
10 posted on 06/02/2003 6:46:24 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Timesink
She was competing with him(Lawrence Schwartzwald) to take her own shot of Ms. Campbell

LOL

11 posted on 06/02/2003 7:53:17 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Timesink
Does it have polyphonic ring tones and such? I'm seriously considering getting one. How annoying is that circular phone pad?

Yes, it has polyphonic ring tones. More importantly, it's very good at finding marginal signals, which was the big drawback to last year's hot phone, the Ericsson 680i. I didn't have any problem with the circular pad. So far, the only problem I've seen is that the Enter function, which you get by pressing the circular scroll key dead center, is easy to confuse with one of the side arrow presses. It takes some practice to hit it square on.

12 posted on 06/02/2003 11:03:55 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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