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Amish Vehicle Symbol Flummoxes Drivers
AP ^ | May 29, 2003 | DAN LEWERENZ

Posted on 05/29/2003 9:25:15 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Are the Amish carting hazardous waste?

A Penn State University study found that the vast majority of drivers do not recognize the slow-moving vehicle symbol affixed to most Amish buggies. Many of those surveyed mistook the bright orange triangle for a yield sign or even a biohazard warning.

The slow-moving vehicle sign has been in use for more than 40 years and is required by 41 states.

Philip M. Garvey, a research associate at Penn State's Pennsylvania Transportation Institute, said that in a survey of 106 people, fewer than 30 percent correctly identified the symbol.

"We were surprised," Garvey said. "We live in a rural community, and people should be familiar with seeing this."

The findings could influence a legal battle going on in Pennsylvania between an ultraconservative Amish sect and state transportation officials.

Members of the Swartzentruber sect insist on putting reflective tape on the backs of their buggies, contending the gaudy triangle violates the religious beliefs of the plain-dressing Amish.

"His findings do corroborate various points that we made to both courts, mainly that the emblem is not the gold standard, and that in some respects the Swartzentrubers' alternative is superior in ... framing the back of the buggy," said Donna Doblick, an attorney whose firm is representing the Swartzentruber group.

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1 posted on 05/29/2003 9:25:15 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
Philip M. Garvey, a research associate at Penn State's Pennsylvania Transportation Institute, said that in a survey of 106 people, fewer than 30 percent correctly identified the symbol.

This is what I call low level research.

2 posted on 05/29/2003 9:29:43 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: AmishDude
Ping! : )
3 posted on 05/29/2003 9:30:34 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: bruinbirdman
fewer than 30 percent correctly identified the symbol.

Puh-lease...

If you were to show me the symbol on its own, there is a chance I would mistake it for a yield symbol too, but if I see it on the back of a tractor, or at night floating out in free-space, I damn well will know not to run into it!

4 posted on 05/29/2003 9:35:20 PM PDT by krb (the statement on the other side of this tagline is false)
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To: bruinbirdman
I don't believe I've ever said, " I'm totally flummoxed!"
5 posted on 05/29/2003 9:36:52 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: bruinbirdman
fewer than 30 percent correctly identified the symbol

So roughly 30% of the people actually studied for the driver's test ;)
6 posted on 05/29/2003 9:37:11 PM PDT by pops88
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To: bruinbirdman

This is the symbol, can't recall ever seeing it myself and pretty sure I wouldn't have a clue what I meant.

Of course, that's one of the reasons I LOVE FR, I've learned something new today.

MKM

7 posted on 05/29/2003 9:38:40 PM PDT by mykdsmom (The early bird still has to eat worms)
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To: mykdsmom
It's the illumanti symbol. The Amish are working to take over the world and plow it under.
8 posted on 05/29/2003 9:50:49 PM PDT by chance33_98 (www.hannahmore.com -- Shepherd Of Salisbury Plain is online, more to come! (my website))
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To: krb
If you were to show me the symbol on its own, there is a chance I would mistake it for a yield symbol too, but if I see it on the back of a tractor, or at night floating out in free-space, I damn well will know not to run into it!

And the same thing would be true of disembodied rectangle of reflective tape outlining the back of a buggy or wagon, would it not?

That said I think the ultra consevative Amish position is a little silly too. Do they only buy chesnut or black horses, or a paliminos allowed? The key would seem to be the function and the technology level, which is the same for the sign and the tape, neither are decorative, although both are 20th century tech, not 18th.

9 posted on 05/29/2003 9:52:05 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Do they only buy chesnut or black horses, or a paliminos allowed?

Paliminos are allowed but have to be painted all black.

10 posted on 05/29/2003 9:53:25 PM PDT by chance33_98 (www.hannahmore.com -- Shepherd Of Salisbury Plain is online, more to come! (my website))
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To: chance33_98
LOL....I'm pretty sure this would be an improvement.

MKM

11 posted on 05/29/2003 9:53:49 PM PDT by mykdsmom (The early bird still has to eat worms)
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To: mykdsmom
You see the symbol in agricultural areas mounted on tractors and wagons which travel slowly on public roads. It's a caution type sign.
12 posted on 05/29/2003 9:53:51 PM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: mykdsmom
can't recall ever seeing it myself

Don't get out in the "country" much do you. These things are required nationwide on all farm vehicles, and any other vehicles not able to go very fast, but which need to be used on public roads. Usually the equipment itself is being moved, rather than as in the Amish Case, being used to transport people or things.

13 posted on 05/29/2003 9:54:31 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: chance33_98
"The Amish are working to take over the world and plow it under."

But only w/ horse-drawn plows. It's the Mennonites you really have to worry about - they'll use tractors, the heathens! ;>)

14 posted on 05/29/2003 9:56:08 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy
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To: DensaMensa
After I posted I seem to have dredged up somewhere in the recesses of my citified brain that I've seen this on tractors traveling on main roads back when I lived in MI.

I live in the city now and prefer to stay within 10 minutes of a mall at all times, therefore my ignorance abounds : )

MKM

15 posted on 05/29/2003 9:57:00 PM PDT by mykdsmom (The early bird still has to eat worms)
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To: El Gato
Don't get out in the "country" much do you.

Interstates, toll roads and other limited access roads don't count. Best places to see them are gravel, rock, calichi or just plain old dirt roads, but then can be seen on paved farm roads, and even occasionally on non limited access highways. They are very difficult to spot from 30,000 feet , but you might spy one on the back of some equipment that is being transported by tractor trailer on the "high speed" roads.

16 posted on 05/29/2003 9:59:10 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
What can I say? I'm a city girl through and through. Since posting the first post though I seem to remember seeing it on some HUGE farm equipment moving VERY slowly when I lived in MI (corn country).

It's been almost 20 years since I moved away from MI and don't remember seeing it since.

MKM

17 posted on 05/29/2003 10:01:03 PM PDT by mykdsmom (The early bird still has to eat worms)
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To: bruinbirdman
having grown up on a farm, it is very familiar.

it's used on agricultural equipment because tractors mounted with cultivators, for example, move slowly. also, they are a potential hazard. recent equipment gets wider and wider, often extending partially across the other lane. in farm country it's a courtesy for the nearest driver to an exit to pull aside. either the driver of a car or the driver of a piece of farm equipment will pull into a drive way, side road, etc. if possible, farmers may extend their equipment onto the side of the road.

a friend of mine was driving a haystacker over a freeway overpass on an interstate and some city guy came flying over the cross road at 70 mph, way above the speed limit, and nearly killed my friend. he's on permanent disability.

my experience is that farm equipment and city drivers are incompatible.
18 posted on 05/29/2003 10:03:04 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is democracy .)
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To: Ready4Freddy
It's the Mennonites you really have to worry about

Backsliders! Although I have seen amish using tractors, but they were horse drawn.

19 posted on 05/29/2003 10:10:11 PM PDT by chance33_98 (www.hannahmore.com -- Shepherd Of Salisbury Plain is online, more to come! (my website))
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To: mykdsmom
What can I say?

How about, "Now, go and do the right thing". :)

Looks like an Alcoa Aluminum symbol, but red. If I'm drinking, I'm thinking someone's run out of foil so I'll just drive by and toss a jar of Grey Poupon at 'em.

20 posted on 05/29/2003 10:14:33 PM PDT by budwiesest
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