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"Muslim" Driver's License Woman Is Convicted Child Abuser: See Her UNVEILED (Ulterior Motive?)
The Smoking Gun ^ | May 29, 2003

Posted on 05/29/2003 11:32:30 AM PDT by Timesink

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To: Protagoras
How can the rest of us drive if she doesn't?

More safely.

51 posted on 05/29/2003 12:32:39 PM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: PetroniDE
OR GIVE HER SOME MORE ISLAMIC CUSTOMS....OFF WITH HER HEAD!
52 posted on 05/29/2003 12:33:04 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: KSCITYBOY
Plain on the outside ugly on the inside.

Agreed.

53 posted on 05/29/2003 12:34:13 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Timesink
Is that what the mullahs refer to as "a two-veiler"?
54 posted on 05/29/2003 12:36:12 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PetroniDE
Im not sure it is Islamic law.Glenn Beck was talking about this, this morning. In Saudi they are not allowed to drive, In Eygpt there are but HAVE to remove the veil for the drivers photo
55 posted on 05/29/2003 12:37:57 PM PDT by boxerblues (God bless the 101st and keep them safe)
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To: Timesink
SPOTREP
56 posted on 05/29/2003 12:39:30 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Extremist
The state should just take a thumbprint (she can show her hands, can't she?) and send her home with a drivers license that says "Photo Not Available", with an endorsement that says "This license is not a substitute for a picture ID".

That way she can drive, so she has not suffered any wrong from the state. But when she tries to use this Drivers License as a picture ID to sign a check, or buy cigarettes, or get on an airplane, the person looking at the ID will know that they need to get some other card that has a picture.

If she is stopped for an infraction while driving, her identity can be easily confirmed by hauling her burka'ed butt down to the station for a set of fingerprints, and she can wait while the originals are faxed from Tallahassee.
57 posted on 05/29/2003 12:46:13 PM PDT by gridlock (Well, of course the're stupid. But they aren't THAT stupid.)
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To: Cachelot
Is that bawney fwank or mawv albewt?
58 posted on 05/29/2003 12:46:59 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: twigs
I have seen ME women interviewed that have stated that women is Saudi Arabia are not permitted to drive, but there are other ME countries where they can. Not all ME countries adhere to the same laws.

But, besides all that Ms Fuller may be of Syrian descent, but she is American as apple pie, one trying to get over on the system. She has no foreign accent what so ever. Speaks perfect english. They need to boot her right out of the courtroom after making her pay for court cost and whatever other financial burden is incurred by the state.

59 posted on 05/29/2003 12:51:32 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: PetroniDE
some muslim.

"She shall not be found conveying in a Buick or a Chevrolet. It is permitted that she may compel a Toyota in order to deliver sheep or holy warriors."

Gotta be in there somehwere.

60 posted on 05/29/2003 12:51:36 PM PDT by SquirrelKing (Tagline for emergency use only.)
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To: Timesink; BartMan1
According to that chart behind her she's six feet six inches tall.

I'm calling the Laker's- she's got game!
61 posted on 05/29/2003 12:53:21 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: null and void
Ditto. She's definitely not ugly. She is plain but easily salvagable, looks-wise. (The psychological issues would require greater effort.)
62 posted on 05/29/2003 12:53:27 PM PDT by =Intervention= (Proud Christo-het Supremacist!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I think read about that section of the Koran. It went something like: "Thou shalt not allow thy women to drive automobiles."

There is also the section that states: "Thy women shall wear veils in public, and not allow their picture to be taken, especially for driver's licenses."
63 posted on 05/29/2003 12:53:59 PM PDT by TheDon ( It is as difficult to provoke the United States as it is to survive its eventual and tardy response)
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To: Timesink
Is this a photo of k.d.lang?
64 posted on 05/29/2003 12:55:53 PM PDT by hardhead (Borders, Language, and Culture = The RIGHT things.)
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To: RussRoberts
Hmmmm... perhaps she follows the New Translation version of the Koran?
65 posted on 05/29/2003 12:56:04 PM PDT by TheDon ( It is as difficult to provoke the United States as it is to survive its eventual and tardy response)
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To: TheDon
SACK! SACK!
66 posted on 05/29/2003 12:56:18 PM PDT by babylonian
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To: IncPen
According to that chart behind her she's six feet six inches tall.

Look at the left side of the chart; it's in centimeters. She's 166 cm tall, about 5'5".

67 posted on 05/29/2003 12:56:46 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: IncPen
I think 66 inches puts her at 5 feet 6 inches tall.

(I don't think she's signing the Nike endorsement contract just yet.)

68 posted on 05/29/2003 1:00:34 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: lelio
I wouldn't be suprised if someone started up the new religion that prays to The Supreme Bankrobber and requires all members to wear ski masks, or the nylons if they're into fashion.

How about one to these guys?
They already have a following.


And the name of their group brings to mind most muslims.

69 posted on 05/29/2003 1:01:15 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: TexKat
And that's the reason why we have to insist upon photos. Too many people will abuse Muslim custom to flout our laws.
70 posted on 05/29/2003 1:01:44 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Extremist
She is entitled to equal protection under law. Under the laws of the state, everyone is treated equally by the requirement for a full face photo on the drivers license. She is not being treated any differently than anyone else, regardless of religion.

Case closed.

As a Christian, if the law stands in opposition to my beliefs, then I either avoid the contradictory activity, or I go ahead and do it with the understanding that I might be penalized or punished by the state. My choice.

71 posted on 05/29/2003 1:07:23 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: twigs
I agree, she's a test case to see how many U.S. laws they can undermine. With the willing assistance of the lib's, of course.
72 posted on 05/29/2003 1:07:49 PM PDT by zygoat
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To: Timesink
Just great... a scumbag woman is found guilty of battering a helpless foster child and she gets probation. If she went to jail where she belonged there would not be a question of photo id veils to begin with...she'd be wearing stripes.
73 posted on 05/29/2003 1:13:01 PM PDT by Tamzee (A half-truth is a whole lie .......Yiddish Proverb)
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To: Timesink
It kills me that this story has been reported nationally for months, and is known I'm sure to tens of thousands of "credentialed" journalists, and yet it took a few guys at Smokinggun.com, where I bet no degree from Columbia School of Journalism or any other journalism school is to be found, to uncover the fact that the woman is a convicted felon.

Could it be that mainstream liberal journalists are so frightened of using a banned word or holding a banned position (banned according to politically correct thinking, that is), that they can't even ask obvious questions like "Does this woman have something to hide?"

Mustn't question the motives of a member of the "religion of peace." Very bad form in certain circles.

74 posted on 05/29/2003 1:13:05 PM PDT by beckett
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To: Timesink
Oh this is priceless...some jailhouse conversion to Islam!!! Some skank trying to get attention!! It all comes together now.
75 posted on 05/29/2003 1:13:55 PM PDT by Ga Rob ("Life's tough...it's even tougher when you're stupid"....The Duke)
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To: IncPen
According to that chart behind her she's six feet six inches tall.

Perhaps it's 66 inches tall (a mere 5ft 6in).

76 posted on 05/29/2003 1:14:13 PM PDT by reg45
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To: AppyPappy
Yes, I wonder what kind of car Mohammed drove...or the authors of the Koran...

Woman may not drive carts with fewer than two donkeys, but no more than four, and not on Wednesdays (/sarcasm)
78 posted on 05/29/2003 1:15:02 PM PDT by Herodotus
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To: RussRoberts
An article on CNN.com had the following summary on driving and ID photos in various Muslim countries:

LINK, PLEASE!

79 posted on 05/29/2003 1:39:39 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (http://c-pol.com)
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To: Timesink
Religion of peace, my @r$e!
80 posted on 05/29/2003 1:41:32 PM PDT by VOA
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To: savedbygrace
She is not being treated any differently than anyone else, regardless of religion.

Fundamentalist Christians can get their driver's licenses without pictures.

A federal Court of Appeals forced the state of Nebraska to issue a driver's license without a picture to a fundamentalist Christian, and the US Supreme court affirmed the case.

No picture, no problem for Christians.

What about
No picture, no problem for Muslims?

81 posted on 05/29/2003 1:50:39 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: george wythe
What about no ID, no problem, for humans? Screw this gov. ID crap!
82 posted on 05/29/2003 1:57:43 PM PDT by TigersEye ( The Democrats are sooooo 9/10.)
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To: alisasny
With a schnoz like that, no wonder she wants ot wear a veil!
83 posted on 05/29/2003 2:01:40 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: Timesink
Great find! Gee, haven't seen this in the media anywhere. Might on FOX though.
84 posted on 05/29/2003 2:01:45 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: savedbygrace
She is not being treated any differently than anyone else, regardless of religion.

Exactly. Unfortunately, however, many people feel that their religion or race entitles them to a special form of treatment. In fact, they sometimes feel they are entitled to an all out free ride and will continue to do so as long as we who pull the wagon allow them to take a ride.

The PC crap needs to come to a screeching halt ASAP. Cops can't stop obviuosly suspicious persons, people who pay zero taxes bitch because they don't get a tax-break and worshippers of evil make a mockery of our system by demanding to wear a mask on their DL's. As someone who is brutally mugged by the IRS on an annual basis to pay for all this, I call BS!

85 posted on 05/29/2003 2:07:13 PM PDT by Extremist
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To: RussRoberts
Thanks for your post---I hope the judge in the USA sees it!
86 posted on 05/29/2003 2:07:28 PM PDT by Mears (.)
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To: RussRoberts
Thanks for your post---I hope the judge in the USA sees it!
87 posted on 05/29/2003 2:08:29 PM PDT by Mears (.)
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To: Timesink

Consider the following possibilities:

1. One "Muslim convert" woman forces state to allow her to both drive, and get driver's license, wearing "veil" (mask).

2. Having set this precedent, soon all states will be forced to follow suit(?), for ANY Muslim woman.

3. As a natural progression, Police officers will not be allowed to look at the face of these women, to verify identity.

4. With everything but the eyes covered, it is almost impossible to tell, for certain, whether the person inside the veil/burkah/chador, etc. is either female, or male.

5. There is plenty of room, under there, for a suicide/homicide bomb vest.

6. With the 9-11 terries, we found that they were "religiously" authorized to drink, go to strip joints, etc as a sort of DISGUISE.

7. The end result of this foolish lawsuit could very well be thousands of "young middle-eastern men" going around, in public, wearing a complete disguise, with complete impunity! Absent OTHER "probable cause," they cannot be stopped (and frisked), nor can they be required to take off the veil, for a drivers license check. (Their driver 's license photo would only show a black mask and a couple of eyes, anyway.)

And, the police couldn't single out such veiled people, even for surveillance, because THAT has already been condemned as "racial profiling!"

 

Talk about catch-22.

 

DG

88 posted on 05/29/2003 2:11:36 PM PDT by DoorGunner (DG=Fool, Liar, and sinner, [and apparently doesn't have a "life."] (Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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To: Timesink
Sultaana Freeman (formerly Sandra Keller)

Jew? That would figure, since the ACLU is filled with self-hating Jews who love to hurt the religion.

89 posted on 05/29/2003 2:15:02 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/28/license.veil.ap/index.html
90 posted on 05/29/2003 2:17:19 PM PDT by RussRoberts
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To: RussRoberts
Egypt: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

I would send that article to the Florida's D.A. office. It could help to prove that the definition of "Islamic Law" she cites is her's alone, since it is not reflected in major Muslim nations.

I am not joking. Don't assume they have thought of this. The money is to be a Defense Attorney...Prosecutors aren't too bright in many cases (Marcia Clark, etc.)

91 posted on 05/29/2003 2:20:04 PM PDT by montag813
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; PetroniDE
P: Correct me if I am wrong, but under Islamic Law, women are NOT permitted to drive a car.

E: I think you have swerved into the Magic Catch 22.

P: What does that mean is simple to understand English? Am I correct or in-correct.

E: You nailed it. Or is that not simple to understand English?

*lol* Good one!
92 posted on 05/29/2003 2:32:41 PM PDT by heleny
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To: Timesink; PBRSTREETGANG; reg45
Hey, I was picturing a contract as Lurch's girlfriend in the next Addams Family movie too!

66 inches... dang...
93 posted on 05/29/2003 3:11:38 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: RussRoberts
Gracias.
94 posted on 05/29/2003 3:12:38 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (http://c-pol.com)
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To: CaptRon
My thoughts exactly
95 posted on 05/29/2003 3:15:35 PM PDT by Michael2001 (Pain heals, chicks dig scars, glory lasts forever)
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To: Tamar1973
Actually, most muslim countries allow women to drive, except countries like Saudi Arabia, which force women to wear the kind of veil that Ms. Freeman wants to freedom to wear here.

Egypt allows women to drive. And guess what, they are required to have a photo license...WITHOUT THE VEIL!!!!

96 posted on 05/29/2003 3:23:03 PM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Timesink
She says she's suing for "religious freedom" --- why doesn't she leave the US for a country like Iran that will REALLY let her practice her religion? She surely won't need to worry about a drivers license there! (Are "devout" Muslim women like her even ALLOWED to drive since they are considered subhuman by many radical Muslim men?)
97 posted on 05/29/2003 3:23:05 PM PDT by arasina (Uh oh! I need a new tag line!)
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To: arasina
The veil is not religious freedom - the veil is religious oppression.
98 posted on 05/29/2003 3:31:27 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: george wythe
That's a new one on me, George. Kindly point me to the case so I can educate myself. Thanks.
99 posted on 05/29/2003 3:36:54 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace
In 1984, the U.S. Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals in Quaring v. Peterson, 728 F.2d 1121 (1984), heard a case in which a Christian woman requested a non-photo driver's license because she considered the photograph to be a "graven image" forbidden by her religious beliefs. The court held:
(1) Nebraska driver's licensing requirement that applicants submit to having color photograph taken for affixing on the license unconstitutionally burdened subject applicant's free exercise of her sincerely held religious beliefs, supported by historical and biblical tradition and implemented in her daily life, that the taking of her photograph would violate the Second Commandment's express forbidding of the making of any graven image or likeness of anything in creation, and
(2) requiring that applicant receive her license without complying with photograph requirement was reasonable accommodation of her religion and did not violate establishment clause.
The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed this ruling in Jensen v. Quaring, 472 U.S. 478 (1985).


The two other cases directly on point are Dennis v. Charnes, 646 F. Supp. 158 (D. Colo. 1986), and Bureau of Motor Vehicles v. Pentecostal House of Prayer, Inc, 380 N.E.2d 1225 (Ind. 1978). Both cases found the right to a non-photo driver's license under religious exemption.

The Colorado case, also a federal case, is Dennis v. Charnes, 646 F. Supp. 158 (D. Colo. 1986). Once again, the plaintiff was a Christian who objected to photographs on the ground that they were graven images. The Colorado district court found for the plaintiff and granted him a religious exemption.

The Indiana case, although is a state case, is the earliest case I've seen. The case is Bureau of Motor Vehicles of The State of Indiana v. Pentecostal House of Prayer, Inc, 269 Ind. 361 (1978). Like the other cases, it deals with a Christian who believed that photographs were graven images and didn't want a photo driver's license. The Indiana Supreme Court upheld this right.

Please not that the US Supreme Court has reversed itself many times, therefore if the Florida case goes to the US Supreme Court, this previous precedent can be overturned or sidestepped by a narrow ruling.

100 posted on 05/29/2003 3:56:06 PM PDT by george wythe
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