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AIR FRANCE TO GIVE AWAY FOUR CONCORDES
DeutschePresse via Bloomberg no url | 5/28/3

Posted on 05/28/2003 9:28:46 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker

Paris (dpa) - With the cessation of its Concorde flights just days

away, Air France said Wednesday it would donate four of its remaining

five supersonic aircraft to aeronautic institutions around the world. 

   ''The Concorde belongs to aviation's and humanity's heritage,'' Air

France said in a press statement. 

   The Concordes will go to the Technical Museum in Sinsheim, Germany;

the National Air and Space Museum of the Smithsonian Institution in

Washington D.C.; the Air and Space Museum in Le Bourget, France; and

to the European air manufacturer Airbus in Toulouse, France. 

   The fifth Air France Concorde will be displayed at Charles de

Gaulle Airport, north of Paris. 

   Not far from that airport, an Air France Concorde crashed in July

2000, killing 113 people, a disaster that contributed to the decision

by Air France and British Airways, the only carriers to fly the

Concorde, to stop its commercial supersonic service. 

   Air France will stop flying its Concordes this Saturday, while

British Airways said it would cease service at the end of October. 

   Hermann Layher, director of the German museum, which two months ago

trussed a jumbo jet at rooftop level on one of its sites, welcomed the

donation, for which the museum will pay a token 1 euro. 

   The Concorde would be flown to nearby Baden Airport in late June,

with the museum paying for crew and aviation fuel, then taken in

pieces to the museum. 

   The Sinsheim Technical Museum already has a Tupolev 144, the Soviet

equivalent of the drop-nose Concorde, on its Sinsheim site and wanted

to complete the set. 

   At its other site in Speyer, 30 kilometres away, a retired Boeing

747 was hoisted onto a giant pylon in March to be displayed like an

outsized toy.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; US: District of Columbia; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: airlines; aviation; concorde; france; smithsonian
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1 posted on 05/28/2003 9:28:47 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
I always thought I'd splurge and take the Concorde to London some day,just for the experience.

Guess I'll have to splurge on something else>


2 posted on 05/28/2003 9:36:28 AM PDT by Mears (.)
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To: Mears
I did it once, to Paris.

It's a little claustrophic, as the cabin is noticeably shorter and narrower than other trans-oceanic commercial aircraft.

The flying sensation is nothing unusual, tho it is fun to watch the "speedometer" tick thru Mach 1.0.

The best part was NO jet lag! Breakfast at home, lunch on board, and a late dinner in Paris before hitting the sack.

3 posted on 05/28/2003 9:41:28 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
the National Air and Space Museum of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington D.C

A Concorde hanging from the rafters next to the Wright Bros contraption. The beginning and the end. Complete cycle.

4 posted on 05/28/2003 9:43:23 AM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Virgin Atlantic offered them a dollar to buy the planes and continue flying them. I guess Air France doesn't want to admit that it might be done.

Part of the price for flying the Concorde as a symbol of French prestige was that the French government decided to end its subsidy of one of the greatest surviving steamships, the France. They couldn't afford to subsidized both and decided that they wanted to modernize their image. Maybe they should have stuck with the France. Some friends of ours used to travel on it yearly to Europe and said that the food and amenities were outstanding.
5 posted on 05/28/2003 10:00:48 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RightWhale
..complete cycle;

Please add a little video tape loop near the display of Jay Leno's joke;

"The French should be proud, it's the first time they actually killed any Germans"

6 posted on 05/28/2003 10:00:54 AM PDT by norraad
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To: Mears
I always thought I'd splurge and take the Concorde to London some day,just for the experience.

Guess I'll have to splurge on something else>

Not necessarily, Virgin Airlines may pick up the British planes and put them into service, stay tuned.

7 posted on 05/28/2003 10:01:51 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: Cicero
The old "France", now known as the Norway, was the ship that had the boiler room explosion in South Florida over the weekend.............now up to 5 dead.
8 posted on 05/28/2003 10:29:26 AM PDT by stationkeeper
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To: RightWhale
"the National Air and Space Museum of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington D.C"

Aren't they about done with the Smithsonian Museum extension out at Dulles Airport? Wouldn't that be where they'd put it along with the Shuttle and the Enola Gay? Atleast, wasn't that the plan at one point?

9 posted on 05/28/2003 10:34:01 AM PDT by Hatteras (The Thundering Herd Of Turtles ROCK!)
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To: NativeNewYorker
I remember when they launched in the 70's, they were deemed the future of air travel.
I hope Virgin revives them, I would like to fly in one someday.


10 posted on 05/28/2003 10:34:34 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: HEY4QDEMS
They can't make it economically because of their fuel use.

Also, I believe they'd been grandfathered in under noise abatement regs. A friend who lives under a main runway at JFK, and hears literally hundreds of planes a week, said she can ALWAYS tell when the Concorde is taking off.

11 posted on 05/28/2003 10:37:03 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: RightWhale
Aha! never mind, I found it.

Smithsonian National Air & Space Museum

Pretty cool, looks like it'll definitely be a trip worth taking.

12 posted on 05/28/2003 10:41:39 AM PDT by Hatteras (The Thundering Herd Of Turtles ROCK!)
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To: Hatteras
Another Smithsonian link that gives a little more info on what's being restored for the new museum:

Garber Preservation, Restoration and Storage Facility

...and it even has a webcam so you can see the employees eating lunch in their workshop!

13 posted on 05/28/2003 10:49:35 AM PDT by Hatteras (The Thundering Herd Of Turtles ROCK!)
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To: Mister Baredog
"Not necessarily, Virgin Airlines may pick up the British planes and put them into service, stay tuned."

Branson is said to have an interest in them, but for exactly what use we aren't certain. Given their voracious fuel appetite, a regular schedule of departures might not be in the works, but another possibility is some kind of extremely high-dollar charter fleet - something to attract customers such as the Sultan of Brunei and celebs or other outrageously-rich individuals who don't mind paying for what would become a very elite privilege. If Branson IS interested, you can bet good money that he already has his plans firmly in mind and his target market brilliantly scoped out.

Michael

14 posted on 05/28/2003 10:51:00 AM PDT by Wright is right! (Have a profitable day!)
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To: stationkeeper
"The old "France", now known as the Norway, was the ship that had the boiler room explosion in South Florida over the weekend.............now up to 5 dead."

NCL has redone the interior of the old "France" over time, but vestiges of its heritage remain. We've never sailed her, but people who have say its entirely possible to go on a 7-day cruise and not be able to explore all the various public rooms. The original layout was said to be REALLY over the top in terms of Grand Gaullist Machismo. She IS big, to be sure, at least by standards that existed until recent years. Now, there are so many "mega-ships" that her size alone is no longer that spectacular.

Michael

15 posted on 05/28/2003 10:55:46 AM PDT by Wright is right! (Have a profitable day!)
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To: Wright is right!
If Branson IS interested, you can bet good money that he already has his plans firmly in mind and his target market brilliantly scoped out.

It was actually an interview with Branson himself where I heard him express this. I'll bet he could get the planes at really really good prices, that might help. He did mention trying to have more than one class on board so more people could fly it. I agree, he's a smart cookie, and Virgin is a very nice airline to fly.

16 posted on 05/28/2003 11:02:08 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: NativeNewYorker
BOYCOTT ALL FRENCG PRODUCTS...
17 posted on 05/28/2003 11:02:11 AM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: Wright is right!
NCL has redone the interior of the old "France" over time, but vestiges of its heritage remain. We've never sailed her, but people who have say its entirely possible to go on a 7-day cruise and not be able to explore all the various public rooms. The original layout was said to be REALLY over the top in terms of Grand Gaullist Machismo. She IS big, to be sure, at least by standards that existed until recent years. Now, there are so many "mega-ships" that her size alone is no longer that spectacular.

I was on the Norway in a bad storm in the Carribean, She rode it out without a fuss due to her deep keel. The other newer shallower draft vessels sustained quite a few passengers who got bumped and banged up in the passageways. Her deep draft also kept her from docking in most of the Carribean ports of call, she had to anchor in the harbor and shuttle the passengers to shore on 2 75 ton landing craft that she carried on her foredeck.

18 posted on 05/28/2003 11:14:03 AM PDT by Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
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To: Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
"Her deep draft also kept her from docking in most of the Carribean ports of call, she had to anchor in the harbor and shuttle the passengers to shore on 2 75 ton landing craft that she carried on her foredeck."

NCL is really forcing the ship into the Carib market where she's not really at home. But that's where all the cheap cruises go and NCL has to compete. Does the ship really use LST's instead of the normal ships' tenders?

Michael

19 posted on 05/28/2003 1:19:05 PM PDT by Wright is right! (Have a profitable day!)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Anyone want to bet there will be Freepers demanding the Air France concorde at the Smithsonia be repainted "Air Freedom" ?
20 posted on 05/31/2003 12:04:32 AM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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