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Muslim cites beliefs as ID photo trial begins (new revelations)
MIami Herald ^ | May 28, 2003 | PHIL LONG

Posted on 05/28/2003 7:50:39 AM PDT by FairOpinion

ORLANDO -- Speaking softly from behind a black veil, only her eyes visible as they moved from the face of her questioner to the judge, Sultaana Freeman cited the religious beliefs that have brought her into conflict with the state over her driver's license photo.

Freeman, 35, who became a Muslim in 1997 and started wearing a veil full time shortly after that, told Circuit Judge Janet C. Thorpe she is opposed to being photographed or being seen without her veil.

It was a mistake that allowed Freeman to be photographed for her driver's license wearing a niqab, a religious veil that covers all of the face except the eyes, said Senior Assistant Attorney General Jay Vail.

The state has revoked Freeman's license until she agrees to a new photograph showing her full face. Freeman is suing the state, charging that the demand violates her religious freedom.

Thorpe, who is presiding over a nonjury trial expected to run through Thursday, must decide if the state's public safety and other interests in requiring the full-face photo outweigh Freeman's religious beliefs.

Freeman, in a written statement, said her veiling is her practice of the Koran's insistence on modesty, ``the ultimate in self-respect and feminism, as this liberating act sent a message that I am not an object of sexual fulfillment, but a person of strong religious conviction.''

On the witness stand, Freeman said she has no photos in her house. When she buys an item like cereal that has a person's photograph on the box, she crosses off the face with a magic marker.

Freeman acknowledged she was photographed without a veil after her arrest in 1998 in Decatur, Ill., on a domestic battery charge involving one of the twin 3-year-old sisters who were in her foster care.

The Associated Press reported that the children were removed from her home. Child-welfare workers told investigators in Decatur that Freeman and her husband had used their claims of religious modesty to hinder them from looking for bruises on the girls, according to Decatur police records.

Thorpe didn't allow many of the facts about Freeman's arrest into evidence.

Florida's insistence on a full-face photo is a case of discrimination spurred by the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, said Howard Marks, an attorney representing Freeman on behalf of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Until then, Marks said, the state ''had no problem accommodating the religious beliefs of Muslim women who required veiling,'' Marks said.

Vail, arguing for the state, said the full-face photo law and policy have been in place for years. He said a state employee mistakenly allowed Freeman to be photographed wearing her niqab in early 2001.

In December 2001, after a call from a Central Florida state attorney's office, the department wrote Freeman saying she would have to be photographed full-face or risk losing her license. She refused and her license was revoked in early 2002.

Sandy Lambert, state driver's license director, said that only Freeman and one other woman, whom she did not identify, have had their licenses revoked in the past few years for refusing to be photographed.

Lambert and Vail denied any post-Sept. 11 discrimination.

''We have had this law in place for many, many years, so there has been no change since 9/11,'' Lambert said.

The picture is crucial for police officers who want to know who is driving a car, whether that person has been reported missing or is a criminal, officials say.

A driver's license, ''is no longer just a driving permit,'' Lambert said. ``It has become the No. 1 identification document.''

Marks said 13 states allow exceptions for religious concerns.

As a mother of children ages 6 months and 2, being unable to drive has caused a ''great deal of stress,'' Freeman testified.

''It has changed my life really,'' she said. ``I feel like a prisoner in my own home.''


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: driver; freeman; licence; license; muslim; photoid; sultaana
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Note that apparently her religion doesn't keep her from abusing children...

"Freeman acknowledged she was photographed without a veil after her arrest in 1998 in Decatur, Ill., on a domestic battery charge involving one of the twin 3-year-old sisters who were in her foster care.

The Associated Press reported that the children were removed from her home. Child-welfare workers told investigators in Decatur that Freeman and her husband had used their claims of religious modesty to hinder them from looking for bruises on the girls, according to Decatur police records.

Thorpe didn't allow many of the facts about Freeman's arrest into evidence."

1 posted on 05/28/2003 7:50:41 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
I didn't realize that you could pick and choose which laws you wanted to obey and which ones you don't regard as appropriate. I think I'll drive 100 MPH and tell the court it is my inner religion coming out. Think it will work?
2 posted on 05/28/2003 7:56:45 AM PDT by zip
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To: FairOpinion
Hmmm, Driving is a priviledge, not a right. Besides, if she is that fundamental in her faith, she isn't allowed to drive anyway!
3 posted on 05/28/2003 7:57:15 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Do you have to be Tolerant to the Intolerant?)
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To: FairOpinion
If she really wants to practice her newfound faith as a Muslim woman, then she should give up driving altogher. No Muslim nations allow women to drive. She also should never be seen with a man in public, unless it's her husband or father or brother. Otherwise, she is violating a major tenet of veiled Muslim women.
4 posted on 05/28/2003 7:57:52 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: FairOpinion
Depending on the outcome of this case, I see shortly there shall be a case in which because of a nervous disorder, a person will be able to completely cover his face (okay, maybe peep holes for the eyes) rather than be photographed for a license, passport, etc. The ACLU will rush to the assistance of this dis-abled victim and pronounce that the State has no compelling interest in humiliating the individual, etc. Maybe we could start a pool on how long it will take for this to occur - there is no doubt it will occur, only the timing is in doubt.
5 posted on 05/28/2003 7:58:15 AM PDT by MarkT
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To: FairOpinion
What is she doing speaking in public? She needs a beating. Where's the husband?
6 posted on 05/28/2003 7:58:45 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: MarkT
If there is a ruling in favor of her, I will be the first to don on my Freddy Kruger mask and redo my License!!!
7 posted on 05/28/2003 7:59:25 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Do you have to be Tolerant to the Intolerant?)
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To: FairOpinion
Your papers, please...

I heard this ACLU guy say last night on a news program that FL has issued "millions" of non-photo DL's that are still valid. I have to say, that if what he says is true, then she has a right to gripe, legit or not.
8 posted on 05/28/2003 7:59:35 AM PDT by aardvark1
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To: FairOpinion
When she buys an item like cereal that has a person's photograph on the box, she crosses off the face with a magic marker.

OK I can accept some religious beliefs, but this says dingbat and I don't think it's in the Koran.

9 posted on 05/28/2003 8:00:07 AM PDT by Drango (There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binaries, and those that don't.)
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To: zip
>I think I'll drive 100 MPH and tell the court it is my inner religion coming out...

"We in the Church of the Divine Loony
believe in the power of prayer
to turn the head purple! Ha, ha, ha . . . "

10 posted on 05/28/2003 8:00:13 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Drango
Absolutely!
11 posted on 05/28/2003 8:01:32 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: aardvark1
Well, Florida did issue the first license with the viel, then revoked it after 9-11. That would be a bit hypocritical. Though it should have never been issued in the first place.
12 posted on 05/28/2003 8:01:55 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Do you have to be Tolerant to the Intolerant?)
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To: FairOpinion
No picture, no driver's license. Apparently, this is more an attempt to conceal links with other forms of bad behavior, than it is modesty in any sense. Conformity is the means to obtaining privilege in this society. Non-conformists are denied privilege. Privilege is defined as in excess of basic rights, to be granted a preference over another.
13 posted on 05/28/2003 8:02:11 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: FairOpinion
On the witness stand, Freeman said she has no photos in her house. When she buys an item like cereal that has a person's photograph on the box, she crosses off the face with a magic marker

And they let this kook have foster children? Boy, we really screen these foster parents well, don't we? So she was photographed w/o a veil when she was charged with domestic battery? Guess the "I'm so religious" angle doesn't go over well with that deal.

I'm curious to find out what she did to the little girl. How is that considered domestic battery, and not child abuse?

14 posted on 05/28/2003 8:02:40 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: FairOpinion
She's looking to make some $$$$ out of a lawsuit on this most compelling issue. (/sarcasm)
15 posted on 05/28/2003 8:02:40 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: TheCrusader
This is pure BS. I go to the mall in Dearborn, Michigan and the Muslim ladies wear head scarves but not face masks. This is not a religious requirement but an optional stringency.

What most Muslim women wear:

A face covering like the one below would make operating a vehicle difficult by blocking perpheral vision. Definitely a road hazard.


16 posted on 05/28/2003 8:06:26 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: FairOpinion
"the ultimate in self-respect and feminism"

Well, there's a statement I never expected to see from someone defending their Muslim faith. "The ultimate in subservience and being made the property of my male master", maybe.
17 posted on 05/28/2003 8:06:42 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Zavien Doombringer
what else can you expect from a state that srew up the elctions?
18 posted on 05/28/2003 8:07:48 AM PDT by PALACE ATHENA
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To: FairOpinion
Thorpe is deciding the case. Even if the prior arrests don't go into the record, Thorpse knows about them.

I hope Thorpe doesn't being the process of Islamicizing our laws.
19 posted on 05/28/2003 8:07:48 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: lady lawyer
That's "doesn't BEGIN the process"
20 posted on 05/28/2003 8:10:21 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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