[FourPeas]

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[45Auto]

expert panel of three developmental/behavioral pediatricians and a child psychologist who have simply done a marvelous job of copying (every lying) word for word from the handout we got from the Brady Boob and company.

[Dan from Michigan]

Arthur Kellermann...real reliable...(cough cough bull$hit)

The AAP - Advocacy group pushing for a total ban.

About what I expect from that other school in Ann Arbor.

[Sir Gawain]

Notice the quiz link: http://www.cphv.org/quiz/index.html

[Chad Fairbanks]

Now, the question remains, is the definition of "Child" any person between the ages of 0 and 25?

[Dan from Michigan]

BTW - I would like to know what training in gun safety these jerks have had. Where's their NRA certification? If they don't have it, then they can pound sand, since they have nothing worthwhile to say on the matter.

[Wonder Warthog]

Oldie but goodie:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/632909/posts

[mabelkitty]

Tell is to Case Western Reserve University.

If someone, anyone, in that school had a gun, he would have been taken out in the first ten minutes.

Because they didn't, it took seven hours, several SWAT units, FBI, and Cleveland Police Department well over seven hours to get it done.

Our military took out Baghdad in less time!

[palmer]

Preaching to the choir:

At this time almost half of all homes in the United States contain guns - close to 250 million guns, these homes contain about 58 million children age 14 and under. With those numbers in hand the anti-gun groups would like you to believe that firearms accidents involving children are at an all time high. But the numbers don't lie.

According to the National Safety Council report from 1998, there were only 30 accidental firearms-related deaths of children under the age of four, and 80 accidental deaths involving firearms for children age 5 to 14. There is no way for these numbers to support the anti-gun groups claims that "15 children a day" (or the current number being quoted on the nightly news) are "killed by guns."

So how do the anti-gun groups come up with their number? They include in their statistics everyone under the age of 19 involved in firearms shootings whether the shooting was accidental or not. These numbers include deaths which occurred as a result of gang violence or during armed robberies. The truth is that more children under the age of four die from drowning in buckets each year than die in gun accidents.

[montag813]

Every 2 hours, someone’s child is killed with a loaded gun. For every child killed by a gun, 4 are wounded.

The only problem here is that (1) "Child" is defined as someone UNDER 25 years old! and (2) Most of these deaths and injuries are self-inflicted.

[ought-six]

A child is far more likely to be killed by the intentional act or the carelessness of its parent (especially a mother) than it is to be killed accidentally by a shot fired by a non-parent. That is a fact. So, what should the government do? Ban parents?

[MD_Willington_1976]

I get the same "Guns are Bad/Evil/aligned with the dark prince etc." message from all over.

Regarding the article, the "Academic" types never mentioned how many children drown in unused 5 gallon paint buckets or kiddie pools, how many fall down the stairs, how many are run over by a family member in their own driveway, how many drink assorted household chemicals, how many are abducted by a neighbour or a transient, how many get run over on their bicycle, how many find out how to run the lawn mower over a sibling, how many fall out of trees, how many are attacked by a domesticated animal....take your pick but there are plenty of ways for kids to end up injured or dead.

The "Academics" just point to the easiest thing that they can focus their blame on..an inanimate object.

Here is an appropriate quote:
"guns are neither inherently good nor inherently evil. Guns, that is, do not possess their own teleology. Benevolence and malevolence are things that inhere in the motives and behavior of people, not in the technology they possess. All guns, are nothing more, nothing less, than a chunk of machined metal that has a variety of purposes to which it can be put, all involving a small projectile hurtling at high velocity downrange, to lodge itself in a target. We can only say that guns are good when the target strikes us as an appropriate one, and evil when not. The gun itself is immaterial to this moral judgement.

Singling out certain types of guns for specific policy attention, 'assault weapons' these days, "Saturday Nite Special" handguns in an earlier area... earlier era, is almost always justified on the grounds that the type of gun in question "has no legitimate use" or "is designed only to kill." By definition, however, all guns are designed to kill, which is to say, designed to hurtle a projectile downrange to lodge in a target. And if one grants the proposition, which, I admit is an arguable proposition, that self- defense against predation and plunder is a legitimate reason to own a gun, then all guns, regardless of their type, regardless of their characteristics, regardless of their firepower, regardless of their quality, all guns, regardless, have some potentially legitimate application."

http://www.a-human-right.com/
http://www.sixgunner.com/blackhawk/evilguns.htm

[TC Rider]

Every 2 hours, someone’s child is killed with a loaded gun.

Aside from the fact that every one is someone's child and that typically only loaded guns kill, this odius statistic is based on 'kids' who are 22 year old gang bangers.

For every child killed by a gun, 4 are wounded.

Kids should be taught not to stand behind the child being killed.

43% of American households with children have guns.

So what?

There is a loaded gun in one in every 10 households with children.

Again, So what?

The risk of suicide is 5 times greater if there’s a gun in the home.

This is so bogus. This has some serious issues with cause and effect.

The risk of domestic homicide is 3 times greater if there’s a gun in the home.

And all this time we thought it was the man's fault.

A gun kept in the home for self-protection is 22 times more likely to kill someone you know than an intruder.

I know this little nugget includes killing the abusive, stalking boyfriend/husband.

[coloradan]

A "child" killed every 2 hours means 12 "kids" a day. In order to get the number this high, you have to include late teen and early adult gang bangers killing each other over drug turf battles. If you define "child" the way the dictionary does - the stage before adolescence - the number is more like 1.4 kids a day. But, what's a lie of only an order of magnitude?

[philetus]

I'm sure this is a repost, but it bears reposting.

Gun Control Advocates Purvey Deadly Myths
printed in the Wall Street Journal 11/11/98
By John R. Lott Jr., a fellow at the University of Chicago Law School. He is author of "More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws" (University of Chicago Press, 1998).

Gun control became a defining issue in several of last week's elections. Those candidates opposing new regulations were painted as uncaring thugs indifferent to people's deaths. Meanwhile, New Orleans Mayor Marc Morial last month filed suit against 15 gun makers, demanding that the reimburse the city and pay punitive damages for all the city's health care expenses and police salaries that arise from gun violence. Other cities seem certain to follow, and that is only part of the litigation threatening to engulf gun makers. To these plaintiffs, the solution to crime is simple and obvious: eliminate guns.

America may be obsessed with guns, but much of what passes as fact simply isn't true. The news media focus on tragic outcomes, while ignoring tragic events that were avoided. Rarely do we hear about the more than two million times each year that people use guns defensively--including cases in which public shootings are stopped before they happen. Dramatic stories of mothers using guns to prevent their children from being kidnapped by car-jackers seldom even make the local news.

Myths about guns can threaten people's safety, by frightening them and preventing them from using the most effective means to defend themselves. Here are five of the most prevalent myths:

When one is attacked, passive behavior is the safest approach. The Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey reports that the probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller: Offering no resistance is 1.4 times more likely to result in serious injury than resisting with a gun. Resistance with a gun is the safest course of action for victims to take.

Friends or relatives are the most likely killers. This myth is usually based on two claims: that 53% of murder victims are killed by either relatives or acquaintances and that anyone could be a murderer. With the broad definition of "acquaintances" used in the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, most victims are indeed classified as knowing their killer. But what's not made clear is that acquaintance murder primarily includes drug buyers killing pushers, cabdrivers killed by first-time customers, gang members killing other gang members, prostitutes killed by their clients, and so on. Only one U.S. city, Chicago, reports a precise breakdown on the nature of acquaintance killings, and the statistic gives a very different impression: between 1990 and 1995, just 17% of murder victims were either family members, friends, neighbors or roommates of their killers.

Murderers are also not average citizens. About 90% of adult murderers already have an adult criminal record. Murderers are overwhelmingly young males with low IQs who have long histories of difficulty getting along with others.

The U.S. has a high murder rate because Americans own so many guns. There is no international evidence backing this up. The Swiss, New Zealanders and Finns all own guns as frequently as Americans, yet in 1995 Switzerland had a murder rate 40% lower than Germany's, and New Zealand had one lower than Australia's. Finland and Sweden have very different gun ownership rates, but very similar murder rates. Israel, with a higher gun ownership rate than the U.S., has a murder rate 40% below Canada's. When one studies all countries rather than just a select few, there is no relationship between gun ownership and murder. U.S. data indicates that those states that have had the largest increases in gun ownership have had the greatest drops in violent crime rates.

If law-abiding citizens are allowed to carry concealed handguns, people will end up shooting each other after traffic accidents as well as accidentally shooting police officers. Millions of people currently hold concealed handgun permits, and some states have issued them for as long as 60 years. Yet only one permit holder has ever used a concealed handgun after a traffic accident, and that case was ruled as self-defense.

The type of person willing to go through the permitting process is extremely law-abiding. In Florida, almost 444,000 licenses were granted from 1987 to 1997, but only 84 people have lost their licenses for any violations involving firearms. Most violations that lead to permits being revoked involve accidentally carrying a gun into restricted areas, like airports or schools. In Virginia, not a single permit holder has committed a violent crime. Similar encouraging results have been reported in Kentucky, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas, the only other states where information is available.

The family gun is more likely to kill you or someone you know than to kill in self-defense. The 1993 study yielding such numbers, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, never actually inquired as to whose gun was used in the killing. Instead, if a household owned a gun and if a person in that household or someone he knew was shot to death while in the home, the gun in the household was blamed. In fact, virtually all the killings in the study were committed with guns brought in by an intruder. No more than 4% of the gun deaths in the study can be attributed to the homeowner's gun.

Also ignored is that 98% of the time when people use a gun defensively, merely brandishing the weapon is sufficient to stop an attack. In less than 1% of the cases is a gun even fired directly at the attacker.

How many attacks have been deterred from ever occurring by the potential victims owning a gun? My own research finds that more concealed handguns, and increased gun ownership generally, unambiguously deters murder, robbery and aggravated assaults. This is also in line with the well-known fact that criminals prefer attacking victims that they consider weak.

These are only some of the myths about guns and crime that drive the public policy debate. We must not lose sight of the ultimate question: Does allowing citizens to own guns on net save lives? The evidence strongly indicates that it does.

[treadstone71]

I find the wording of the first point interesting: "someone's child."

I'm 33 and I am someone's child.

[2nd amendment mama]

From the CDC:

Children's deaths by firearms

2000, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 19
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,Y35.0
 

Number of Deaths	Population	Crude Rate
3,042	78,553,555	3.87

Children's deaths by Auto accidents

2000, United States
Overall Motor Vehicle Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 19
ICD-10 Codes: V02-V04,V09.0,V09.2,V12-V14,V19.0-V19.2,V19.4-V19.6,V20-V79,
V80.3-V80.5,V81.0-V81.1,V82.0-V82.1,V83-V86,V87.0-V87.8,
V88.0-V88.8,V89.0,V89.2, X82,Y03,Y32
 

Number of Deaths	Population	Crude Rate
7,885	78,553,555	10.04

Seems like we should be banning children from cars rather than banning guns!!!!! Children are twice as likely to die in a car than they are to die from guns!