[Mr. K]

and I am not buying the 2.8% claim either- nature does not make that many mistakes in a species (one out of 50???) and survive

[robertpaulsen]

Take out the bisexuals and my guess is that the number of "pure" homosexuals would drop below 1%.

[Remedy]

What Is "A Homosexual" Kinsey's published data reveal that homosexuals are much more willing to "try it" with an animal, a child, a man, many women, or for that matter "something completely different."

Family Research Report - May-Jun 2002 Omnisexual -Webster's dictionary4 defines 'homosexual' by "sexual attraction toward [or relations with] a person of the same sex" (p. 464). Yet as both the FRI and the Kinsey studies demonstrate, sexual flexibility rather than a fixed interest in or exclusive performance with members of the same sex is characteristic of 'homosexuals.' Almost all 'homosexuals,' in fact, manage to have sex with the opposite sex.

The term [homosexual]certainly does not seem to fit ex-homosexuals, many of whom express no further interest in sex with their sex. Further, the sexual flexibility that the great majority of 'homosexuals' exhibit over their lifetimes does not fit the 'compulsive' nuances associated with the term 'homosexual' either

[TexanToTheCore]

Homosexual = 1.75% Lesbian = 1.56% This has been the number that statisticians have been coming up for years. In 1998, I think, some researchers decided to find out where the 10% figure came from and it turns out that it was Alfred Kinsey. What they discovered was that Kinsey had used prison populations for his samples, rather than the general populace, as he had claimed.

I'll leave it to the student to determine the impact of Kinsey's report on American society for the last 50 years. It's disgusting.

[Hodar]

"2.8% percent of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual."

Of the 2.8% (admittedly without ANY data to back up my guess) I would venture to guess that a majority would say they were bi-sexual, thus the true homosexual community would be a fraction of the 2.8%.

[jejones]

and I am not buying the 2.8% claim either- nature does not make that many mistakes in a species (one out of 50???) and survive

Consider the sickle-cell anemia gene. You and I would both consider the homozygous recessive case a mistake, but in areas where malaria is common (and before insecticides and such, of course), heterozygotes have an advantage, so that the population would tend towards being heterozygous...but that would mean that 25% of children would be homozygous recessive and thus have sickle-cell anemia (given that both parents are heterozygous), rather more than 2.8%. You have to consider advantage for the species, not just the individual.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

No, but man does. So this argues that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.

[Alberta's Child]

. . . and I am not buying the 2.8% claim either- nature does not make that many mistakes in a species (one out of 50???) and survive.

The 2.8% figure may be reasonable, since "nature" is only a minor component in homosexuality. Heredity plays far less of a role than family environment as a determining factor.

[Gunslingr3]

and I am not buying the 2.8% claim either- nature does not make that many mistakes in a species (one out of 50???) and survive

I don't think it's all genetically determined. More an aspect of the mental stresses of the Human Zoo. Human needs are also almost effortlessly met due the advanced stage of civilization, so Darwinary processes aren't going to cull the herd anyway, but they will shape it (e.g. rich guys, hot wives, beautiful children - the Master Race of Money, etc.)

[CedarDave]

Hmmm. Down from 10% to 2.8%. Does that make them eligible for Endangered Species Act consideration?

[elfman2]

"and I am not buying the 2.8% claim either- nature does not make that many mistakes in a species (one out of 50???) and survive"

No, it was just nature's way of ensuring that our caves were well decorated, and our fire dances were well choreographed.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

>>one out of 50???

FWIW:

1/0.028 = 35.71428571428572, more like one in 36.

[HamiltonJay]

Nature doesn't make mistakes as great as 1 out of 50 and survive????? What books have you been reading? Many species have 1% survival rate to maturity! 1 in 50 is a very very low abnormality, particularly an abnormality that doesn't affect the individual of that species in any other way other than procreation.

Wasn't that long ago fully 50-75% of children never reached their 4th birthday!

[MEGoody]

"nature does not make that many mistakes in a species"

Nature has nothing to do with it. It's something they choose to enter into, just like an alcoholic chooses to take that first drink, then becomes a social drinker, and so forth and so on.

[Pearls Before Swine]

nature does not make that many mistakes in a species (one out of 50???) and survive..."

I beg to differ. I go out in the street, look to my left, look to my right, or just turn on the TV, and I see lots of "mistakes."

[Blood of Tyrants]

I don't either. I'll bet that their numbers include anyone who has EVER had even one homosexual contact as "bisexual".

[samuel_adams_us]

Either way a statistical insignificance and way to powerful for the number involved. Time for for those in the majority to stand up and be heard.

[js1138]

and I am not buying the 2.8% claim either- nature does not make that many mistakes in a species (one out of 50???) and survive

Do not assume that gay men and women never have children. Even Oscar Wilde was married.

[Frapster]

and I am not buying the 2.8% claim either- nature does not make that many mistakes in a species (one out of 50???) and survive

This isn't a mistake of nature - it is a perversion of the mind. 2.8% is not only believable but surprisingly less given the level of immorality in our society today.

[nmh]

Could someone tell homo loving Bush this ->

"2.8% percent of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual."

[Smokin' Joe]

Don't worry, it is rare that they pass on their genetics. Nature can always deal with a small nonbreeding population. Usually, predators call them "food".