Homosexual Groups Admit ‘10%’ Figure Is Wrong

Traditional Values Coalition ^ | Friday, May 09 @ 15:27:45 CDT | Traditional Values Coalition

[Remedy]

Sodomy includes people of the opposite sex having oral sex. Very few horrific risks of disease or mutual assaults there, at least not when I've been involved in such. Or do you think we should outlaw that?
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[Richard Kimball]

Another point on Kinsey was that he listed anyone who had ever engaged in homosexual conduct as a homosexual.

[kegler4]

I must assume you posted this link because you agree with what I said. The link you posted, in fact, supports my contention that opposite sex oral sex, particulary between man and wife, does NOT spread horrific diseases. It also confirms that opposite sex oral sex is sodomy. It helps support my contention that my home state has no business outlawing this private act.

If you meant the link as a rebutal to what I said, then once again you have managed to post a completely meaningless link. Given your history, the second is probably right.

[Remedy]

U get links because U are so completely clueless. READ THE MATERIAL IN THE LINKS, not just the titles posted on this thread!

[elfman2]

That's really twisted. And you spoke to her, first hand?

I think that's where the battle gets fun, when one doesn't have to exaggerate the opposition in order to vilify them.

It's the extremism of the homosexual activist who twist themselves into knots to tell us that being gay's completely normal and natural that I like to attack. Not the gays who wouldn't mind that being the norm, but aren’t trying to make others believe it and really just don't want to be jailed, discriminated against or even outed. I don't need to misrepresent them all in order to dismantle the arguments of their activists groups.

[Richard Kimball]

And if mental masturbation were illegal, you'd be do 10 to 20 for that post.

[kegler4]

I read the last link, not just the title. No, I did not read every link in the article because I have other things to do with my time. It talked about how dangerous same-sex sodomy (particularly males) is. It also noted that opposite sex sodomy is not nearly as dangerous, particularly if it is oral sodomy. And yes, oral sex between a man and a woman is indeed sodomy.

So tell me, are you one of the nutcases who thinks we also should outlaw everything except the missionary position? I'm talking about opposite sexes, not the homosexuals you are so obssessed with. If so, then you are the one who is truly, truly clueless.

[Ciexyz]

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[babygene]

"Thacker contracted the AIDS virus in 1986 after his wife was infected during a blood transfusion received during childbirth. Their daughter born of that pregnancy also is HIV-positive."

Transfusions during childbirth are almost always due to hemorrhaging after childbirth or cesarean. How would the baby have gotten it?

Yes, however, the mother could have gotten it from a transfusion if the blood source was a homosexual or a drug addict. In 1986 the blood supply was risky.

I guess we don't know how he got it from her, but a more reasonable explanation would be that he infected her before the baby was born.

[babygene]

"There is no such thing as an “I’m not gay” immunity from HIV."

Heterosexual women get aids... So do heterosexual babies get it from their moms (though not always). However a heterosexual man that stays away from needles is more likely to get struck by lightning.

[babygene]

Oh, one more thing...

Heterosexual women who stay away from homosexual and bisexual men and needles are also less apt to get aids than get struck by lightning.

[Antoninus]

When this can be established as a fact I will recant. This will require Homosexuality being reclassified as a mental disorder. Extremely unlikely that this will happen any time soon.

Did you even bother looking at the links I pointed you to (NARTH)? You do realize that homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder (or worse) for hundreds of years before APA had their politically-driven epiphany in the early 1970s. No matter how APA chooses to classify it, it IS a disorder. One only need look at the rates homosexuals suffer from other mental health problems to understand that.

...its very unlikely that society can easily push them back into the closet, so like it or not in this society there are going to be self-described homosexuals.

True enough. Just as there are self-described drug-addicts, alcoholics, anorexics and manic depressives. Does this mean we should tell them that there's absolutely no hope of helping them escape from this filthy, sad lifestyle?

[Antoninus]

Or it could be that EVERY homosexual was abused as a child..........

I'll bet you'd be truly shocked to learn how close to the truth that statement is......

[Antoninus]

Who on this thread do you think are these "most Homo Promo cheerleaders", huh?

I wasn't necessarily referring to you in particular. I can't help it if you've got a guilty conscience.

I've been told regarding psychosis that after all the "modern treatment" meatheads, about a third get better, a third get worse and a third stay the same. I wouldn't hold that up as a model for sex redirection programs.

Why not? The same holds true for any number of mental illnesses including addictions. For depression, I think the rates are even worse. Should we stop treating them? Homosexuality is like every other mental disorder: If the afflicted individual has a genuine will to change, treatment has a much better chance of being successful. That's why the militant homo-promo crowd (which you are not a part of) is so vehement in denying that true change can ever take place. The more people they can get to believe it, the less likely treatment for such people will ever be successful.

And I doubt that you'd be happy with a recent "graduate" announcing that he's going to marry your daughter.

Perhaps not a "recent" graduate, but someone who's been able to shake off the disorder and live clean for several years would be fine with me (assuming he didn't have any STDs). Indeed, to have overcome such a terrible problem would be a plus in my book.

Being gay is no more a "choice" than being crazy.

If you're telling me that a schizophrenic can control the way they act, I think you're the one who's crazy. There is NO biological or hereditary compulsion to anal sex. Such a disgusting act doesn't just happen. The act itself is a choice--and often a deadly one.

[ffusco]

Yes I realize that homosexuality was only until recently classified as a mental disorder. However as long as self-described homosexuals have a political identity this will never be reclassified.

Re Helping: How do you suggest helping them, if they do not want to be helped?

[ffusco]

I don't know that I would be shocked, as lots of people are abused and dont turn out gay, But until a conclusive study of all homosexuals could be studied It is only a hunch, And there are some undoubtedly Gay men that were not abused, so I think you have to be careful about making these kinds of assumptions.

[Clint N. Suhks]

sexual perversion is okay according to the APA as long as the pervert feels good about him or herself.

Yes you are correct, the terminology I cited was right off the APA web site. Lack of anxiety, good psychosocial and a positive well being and poof you’re not sick.

Why the APA doesn't use the same reasoning to eliminate narcissism as a disorder…

or pedophilia or transgenderism or any of the other paraphilic disorders.

[k2blader]

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[Remedy]

How do you suggest helping them, if they do not want to be helped?
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