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Germans dismayed that Poles could command their troops
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 05/08/03 | Roger Boyes

Posted on 05/07/2003 4:04:57 PM PDT by Pokey78

GERMANY has responded angrily to a proposal that its troops be deployed in northern Iraq under the command of Poland, one of the newest members of Nato.

The United States recommended that Poland take over the military administration of northern Iraq, in charge of peacekeeping duties. The force under its command would number about 7,000, including contingents from Nato members such as Romania, Bulgaria and possibly Germany.

Peter Struck, the German Defence Minister, said he would “look into” the proposal, but was clearly opposed.

Poland, which contributed 200 men to coalition forces in Iraq, had promised 10,000 men for a peacekeeping force. This has shrunk to 1,500, with troops from other countries added. The US will be responsible for central Iraq and Britain for the south.

Neither Germany nor France had expected to take a leading military role in postwar Iraq, but the idea that Poland could take charge has stirred a hornets’ nest. President Kwasniewski of Poland will try to resolve the matter when he meets German and French leaders tomorrow, but there is no mistaking the dismay in “old Europe” as Poland flexes its muscles.

“We would like to have German troops,” Jerzy Szmajdzinski, the Polish Defence Minister, said after talks with Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary. “I’m sure the United States would be interested in that.”

The comment was intended to be practical rather than polemical. Poland recognises that it has no experience in leading a multinational force. But there is a Polish-German-Danish brigade based in Szczecin in northwest Poland that could be deployed in Iraq.

The German press has been particularly dismissive. Perhaps Gerhard Schröder, the Chancellor, should use the summit to “remind President Kwasniewski who exactly has been the strongest champion of Polish entry into the EU and Nato,” the Süddeutsche Zeitung sniffed.

The Poles have responded in kind. “Germans and French, leave the Poles in peace!” was the headline in Superexpress. “We were right about the war, you do not have to teach us what to do in Iraq.”

France and Germany do not find it easy to accept the Nato and EU newcomers as equals. This was clear when President Chirac chided Poland and other members of the former Soviet bloc for signing a letter of support for the US ahead of the Iraq war. “They had lost,” he said at the time, “a good opportunity to stay silent.”

The Germans also suspect that the US is again trying to drive a wedge between “old” and “new” Europe.

Poland was surprised by the German response. Where Germans see conspiracy, Poland sees a chance to bring them into the loop. “I’m afraid there is some misunderstanding,” Wlodzimierz Cimoszewicz, the Foreign Minister, said. “We would like as many European partners as possible.”

Deep down, most German politicians are unwilling to accept the concept. From the days of Bismarck until 1945, the Poles were seen as a subject people by Prussians and by Germans. The notion that a Polish captain can give orders to a German soldier will take some getting used to.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: peacekeepers; postwariraq
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1 posted on 05/07/2003 4:04:58 PM PDT by Pokey78
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Well Im dismayed German troops have a base in the USA
If comrade doesnt like taking orders from Poles?.....LMAO..Gut!
2 posted on 05/07/2003 4:06:46 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Pokey78
"The notion that a Polish captain can give orders to a German soldier will take some getting used to."

Get used to it!

Germany would have had more say in the matter had it co-operated with Pax Americana in settling Saddan's hash.

3 posted on 05/07/2003 4:09:16 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Pokey78
What a pity the Russians aren't playing - the notion of having them and the Germans under a Polish commander is a historical irony worthy of a Christopher Buckley satire. I'm certain the Poles aren't snickering at the German reaction here...yeah, not much...
4 posted on 05/07/2003 4:09:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Pokey78

BWAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAA!!


5 posted on 05/07/2003 4:11:10 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: Pokey78
The Poles don't have anything to worry about, until the French take the Poles side against Germany.

We all know how well that worked out the last time around....
6 posted on 05/07/2003 4:13:55 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: Pokey78
Paybacks are a witch.
7 posted on 05/07/2003 4:14:13 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Using pretentious arcane words to buttress your argument means you don't have one)
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To: Billthedrill
The real howler, historically speaking, would be having Russians under German command, or (heh heh heh) vice versa.
8 posted on 05/07/2003 4:14:49 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ
I'd say it'd be even sillier still to have all of the above under French command except that that's exactly what Chirac intends. You can't make this stuff up.
9 posted on 05/07/2003 4:17:13 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Pokey78
If the Germans keep thinking the 'no military spending ever' route is the way to go, they will need to get used to taking orders from someone else.

Particularly if the US ever decides to stop protecting them.

10 posted on 05/07/2003 4:17:15 PM PDT by William McKinley (And the Crimson Dynamo just couldn't cut it no more...)
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To: Pokey78
Out Damn Stnading, If the germans can't take orders from the poles, maybe they need to check the trees on the champs elysees.
11 posted on 05/07/2003 4:17:19 PM PDT by dts32041 (C-4 can make a dull day fun.)
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Maybe the Germans would prefer to take orders from that "heil" guy with the mustache--you know who????????
12 posted on 05/07/2003 4:20:57 PM PDT by poppytpee
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To: Pokey78
I dont see what the fuss is about!

Australian troops work with uk troops regularly, command depends on the situation and noone makes a big deal of it.

The US and UK work together closely, delta force work in hereford, and the S.A.S train in he US.

13 posted on 05/07/2003 4:20:58 PM PDT by may18
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To: Pokey78
Hmmmmmmm, maybe they got the job because they are proven friends whom we can trust.
14 posted on 05/07/2003 4:22:18 PM PDT by doug from upland (my dogs ran from the room when they heard Hillary shrieking on the radio)
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To: Pokey78
The Germans have a history of despising Poles. "Polnische Wirtschaft" means "mess."
15 posted on 05/07/2003 4:22:39 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: hchutch; Miss Marple; Grampa Dave
Poetic justice..
16 posted on 05/07/2003 4:23:16 PM PDT by Dog (You are here -->.<-- ereh era uoY)
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To: aristeides
Obviously this is a deliberate act by Mr. Rummy to put those no Germans in their place. I love history.
17 posted on 05/07/2003 4:24:52 PM PDT by appeal2
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To: Pokey78
Mmmm... this is fun... how about a little rub-your-nose-in-it, Germany? Hah? You like that? Hah? How do you like it NOW, eh? Yeah....
18 posted on 05/07/2003 4:26:05 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: Pokey78
I love it!
19 posted on 05/07/2003 4:27:05 PM PDT by FLCowboy,
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