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France and Germany in EU defence breakaway (EXCUSE ME? ALERT)
The Times ^ | April 30, 2003 | Rory Watson and Rosemary Bennett

Posted on 04/29/2003 2:45:40 PM PDT by MadIvan

FRANCE and Germany agreed yesterday on a new defence arm that will enable the EU to carry out military operations independent of Nato.

Just as Tony Blair was making clear his opposition to any move that could undermine Nato, the leaders of France, Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg decided at a summit in Brussels to set up a “multi- national deployable force headquarters” for non-Nato operations.

Speaking as he flew to Moscow to see President Putin, Mr Blair said that he hoped that “people realised the only basis upon which European defence could go forward is if it is fully compatible with our membership of Nato”. He landed to hear that the EU’s four leading opponents of the war with Iraq had already taken the first steps towards a defence policy that critics will see as a threat to Nato.

They hope that other EU members will rally behind the new policy. It aims increasingly to integrate national defence strategies and to establish a multinational force headquarters on the outskirts of Brussels next year to plan and conduct EU-led operations.

British officials with Mr Blair were “baffled” by the news from Brussels but wanted to see the details before making a full response.

The four leaders insisted that their plans to establish a European security and defence union should not be seen as anti-Nato or anti-American, but would instead give greater muscle to EU foreign and security policy.

“We want to make clear that this is not against Nato,” Gerhard Schröder, the German Chancellor, said. “It will reinforce Nato as the European pillar will have a stronger position inside the organisation and it will reinforce the transatlantic alliance.”

The message was repeatedly echoed by his fellow leaders: President Chirac of France, Jean-Claude Juncker, the Prime Minister of Luxembourg, and Guy Verhofstadt, the Belgian Prime Minister, who called for the mini-summit last month just as American and British forces were launching their attack on Iraq.

All four believe that their initiative will eventually lead to the formation of a European security and defence union containing as many EU countries as possible. They compared it to the support for a single currency by a small group in the early 1990s which eventually saw the birth of the euro a decade later.

But other EU members, notably Britain, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands, which were not invited to the meeting, remain to be convinced and are suspicious of any development that might undermine the military alliance and relations with the United States.

Ana Palacio, the Spanish Foreign Minister, said this week: “A truly European security and defence policy cannot be achieved by three or four countries acting alone.” Franco Frattini, her Italian counterpart, has also said that he would be critical of any defence initiative by a small group of countries that did not include “Europe’s premier military power”, Britain. The success of the quartet’s initiative, which they insisted any present and future EU member was free to join, will depend on the backing it receives in other national capitals and the reception it is given in the convention drafting a constitution for the EU.

The four-page declaration issued after the two-hour meeting lists several concrete initiatives to be implemented in the coming months. Some of these, such as developing a European rapid reaction force, delivering humanitarian aid faster and creating an EU nuclear, biological and chemical weapons protection capability, are already established Union targets. Others, such as introducing a European command for strategic air transport, devising joint training schemes for armed forces personnel, and creating a European agency to develop and acquire military equipment, have also been aired in recent months.

However, one new departure is the proposal for a multinational deployable force headquarters that would be responsible for EU-led operations “without recourse to Nato assets and capabilities”.

President Chirac, referring to Nato’s military planning and command body, insisted that this would not become a “European Shape” but was designed to avoid wasteful duplication at national level.

However, while the new organisation would have to establish close links with Nato, some EU diplomats suggested that it might over time become a catalyst for developing an independent European stance.

Nato said yesterday that it welcomed any action that would strengthen the alliance’s European pillar, but an official added: “We remain concerned about how extra capabilities will be delivered without extra resources and about the risk of unnecessary duplication.”

Nato ambassadors will have an opportunity today to seek further clarification at their weekly council meeting from their German, French, Belgian and Luxembourg colleagues.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; boyscouts; bush; chirac; france; germany; schroeder; slingshots; uk; us; weasels
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France, Germany, Luxembourg and Belgium. More ego than brains.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 04/29/2003 2:45:40 PM PDT by MadIvan
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Bump!
2 posted on 04/29/2003 2:46:12 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
France, Germany, Belgium, and Lux? What's there to deploy? They could have the office in a phone booth.
3 posted on 04/29/2003 2:48:33 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: MadIvan
Shape = SHAPE = Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe

http://www.nato.int/shape/

4 posted on 04/29/2003 2:50:42 PM PDT by alnitak ("That kid's about as sharp as a pound of wet liver" - Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: MadIvan
AHH Ivan WHATTTTT


France and Germany that not world power they haven't been powerful since 18th century even back then

So going be Kaisher on this one Shordoer or Chirac
5 posted on 04/29/2003 2:52:28 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in it for truth, justice, and the American way=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: MadIvan
What will they call it, Weas-O?
6 posted on 04/29/2003 2:52:50 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: MadIvan
Let's look on the bright side. I hope the Eurocrats finally realize they'll have to fend for themselves if they want a foreign policy consistent with their independent interests that are vastly different from ours. They might try to get Russia on board. If so, look for France and Russia to propose a joint European nuclear command.
7 posted on 04/29/2003 2:53:06 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: MadIvan
Does anyone really expect them to increase taxes to fund a real military? If they increase taxes any more in Germany, the people will have to pay the government for the privilege of working.
8 posted on 04/29/2003 2:55:09 PM PDT by RockBassCreek
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To: MadIvan

Absolut-ely priceless. They are at it again....

9 posted on 04/29/2003 2:59:45 PM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: MadIvan
What I would like to know is who they think is going to pay for this?

None of those countries is in great shape financially at teh moment!

The timing on this is suspect.

I think what they really want is to be able to tell the United States "No" and make it stick.

The whole thing reeks.

Tia

10 posted on 04/29/2003 3:00:15 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: mewzilla
I wouldn't laugh if I were you. This is probably a plan of Old Europe to assert independence from the US, cozy up to Russia, and put the squeeze on pro-American leaders in New Europe - many of whose countries depend heavily on Old Europe for investment and technology. It'll also make Britain feel unwelcome on the continent and stranded in the middle of the transatlantic divide.

This must be the first time in history that France and Germany have found such common cause. They're pissed that they didn't frustrate US interests in the Mideast, so now they're trying to be more assertive in their own neighborhood. Some of their leaders want revenge against New Europe and will work with Russia to make it a reality.
11 posted on 04/29/2003 3:00:16 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: Paul Ross
I should be afraid to ask this.

What is in the glass with the Vodka?
12 posted on 04/29/2003 3:03:28 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: MadIvan
“We want to make clear that this is not against Nato,” Gerhard Schröder, the German Chancellor, said.

That is a lie. This is an attempt to form a new NATO with Russia supplying the money and the troops much as the United States did for so long, only more so. How the other countries in the present EU, much less the new entries, will react to this is pretty easy to imagine. If France, Belgium, and Germany aren't careful this will threaten not only NATO but the very continuity of the EU itself.

13 posted on 04/29/2003 3:06:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Grampa Dave
Looks like a drowned weasel to me...
14 posted on 04/29/2003 3:07:29 PM PDT by JRjr
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To: Grampa Dave
What is in the glass with the Vodka?

It looks to me like an embalmed weasel. You were right to be afraid to ask...

15 posted on 04/29/2003 3:08:06 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: mewzilla
The Dutch better be careful. The French-German-Luxemborgian-Belch alliance have them surrounded!
16 posted on 04/29/2003 3:08:31 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: MadIvan
This whole idea is just stupid. What we are seeing is a 'harmonic convergence' of sorts: The EU core is in the first stages of meltdown. French-led foriegn policy is a disaster, the Euro economy is on the ropes with little hope of shaking off the debilitating effects of socialism and the 'Old Euro' mindset is not condusive to robust displays of fortitude.

Forget about it. It ain't gonna happen...
17 posted on 04/29/2003 3:09:33 PM PDT by telebob
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To: Billthedrill
I guess that I still want to know what is in the glass!
18 posted on 04/29/2003 3:10:07 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: MadIvan
Hey Ivan, is it true that Blair has started mentioning that he might kill the Eurofighter?

If true, do you think that has anything to do with this situation or is it truly economic.
19 posted on 04/29/2003 3:14:56 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: MadIvan
Sounds like france has figured out a way to surrender to germany before any hostilities break out this time.
20 posted on 04/29/2003 3:14:57 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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