Republicans Confident Gay Rights Issue Will Hurt Dean

FOX News ^ | Friday, April 25, 2003 | The Associated Press contributed

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Stand with Scalia and Texas

But society always . . . makes these moral judgments," said Scalia. "Why is this different from bigamy?"

Indeed, if people have a "fundamental right" to "consensual sexual conduct in the home," why can't a man take two wives? Why not three? Why can't everybody pick the conglomeration of consensual partners that suits their peculiar appetite? As long as it's done "in the home," not in the street, it's a fundamental right. Right?

Where does it end? Who can tell -- given that a ruling for the petitioners could cause catastrophic collateral damage to the foundation of law itself? All men, said the Founders, "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights." If all consensual adult sex is one of those rights, either God gave it to us or some force other than God is author of our liberty.

Seventeen years ago, in Bowers v. Hardwick, when Laurence Tribe first argued for this right, Justice Byron White, writing for the Court, said "it would be difficult, except by fiat, to limit the claimed right to homosexual conduct while leaving exposed to prosecution adultery, incest, and other sexual crimes even though they are committed in the home. We are unwilling to start down that road."

Chief Justice Warren Burger scoffed at Tribe's claim. "To hold that the act of homosexual sodomy is somehow protected as a fundamental right," he said, "would be to cast aside millennia of moral teaching."

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the FOUNDING FATHERS UNLEASHED Our Constitution provides the legitimate foundations of this country as a free nation that is of the people and by the people but, we must read beyond it words and read it's authors words and thoughts in order to understand the warnings they have sent through generations to it's application in todays world.

warning...

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion...Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
- John Adams, October 11, 1798

warning...

"Have you ever found in history, one single example of a Nation thoroughly corrupted that was afterwards restored to virtue?... And without virtue, there can be no political liberty....Will you tell me how to prevent riches from becoming the effects of temperance and industry? Will you tell me how to prevent luxury from producing effeminacy, intoxication, extravagance, vice and folly?..."

- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson

The entire argument about sexual behavior is so simple it can be reduced to the following: Should there be any social rules about what sexual activity a human being engages in?

If the answer is no then everyone should just shut up...hetero is okay, cousins are okay, polygamy is okay, bi is okay; gay is okay, 13-year olds are okay, and one or one-hundred-at-a-time are okay, et. al.

However, if a society decides that certain rules about who does whom when and where is functional and perhaps even necessary, all that is left is to decide is WHAT are the rules of sexual behavior and WHO shall make them...simple. Those who follow the 'rules' are then NORMAL and all the rest are PERVERTS... so very, very simple...you decide.

Van & Katherine Jenerette

www.jenerette.com �

posted on 04/26/2003 9:22 PM EDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...If We Can Keep It!)

[Sonny M]

This issue, normally, would hurt Dean not just with conservatives, but also moderates, and centerists, and pretty much most people who aren't in the liberal category. One problem though, and the DNC is going to use it. Dick Cheney, who has one daughter who is a lesbian (she works for Coors as some kind of liason for gays and lesbians) before he ran as Vice President, made some statements saying he supports "civil unions". It wouldn't be to hard for Dean to hammer Cheney on the gay union thing and make it personal with Cheney's daughter as part of the issue. Cheney got a walk on it in the last election, since Lieberman isn't exactley gay friendly to being with (he's since moderated to "fit in" with the rest of the party), but Lieberman and several groups protested showing of homosexuals on TV and in Movies calling them obscene. Hopefully, if Dean tried to drag Cheney's family into this, Cheney will show dean to be what he is, a man with no morals or class.

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Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, John Kerry of Massachusetts, Dick Gepahrdt of Missouri and Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, have backed a bill that would extend benefits to partners of gay federal employees. The latter three even co-sponsored the legislation.

'Gay' Group Cuts Homosexual Partner Benefits for Own Employees

National Gay and Lesbian Task Force calls them 'prohibitively expensive'

WASHINGTON, D.C. - A leading homosexual activist group has cut domestic partner benefits for its employees' lovers.

The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, which is working to force corporations to adopt such benefits for its homosexual employees, reportedly said that the costs were "prohibitively expensive."

White House backs Santorum; he's 'inclusive' But other Senate Republicans, including Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee and Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, have affirmed their support for Santorum.

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Just published today:

Equal Rights is the Responsibility of Every American (Howard Dean Editorial BARF ALERT

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Dick Cheney, who has one daughter who is a lesbian (she works for Coors as some kind of liason for gays and lesbians) before he ran as Vice President, made some statements saying he supports "civil unions".

Cheny needs to get help for his daughter. Bush made comments, while running for President, contrary to Cheny's.

…Cheney will show dean to be what he is, a man with no morals or class.

Increasingly typical of all democrats.

 

[nickcarraway]

ping

[isthisnickcool]

The queer population in America might be 3%. Maybe. So why is anyone talking about this? Because over a number of years the queer issue has been blown up by the relentlessly vocal queers, the media and oddballs like Dean. To the point too many people think "gay rights" is something important. It isn't.

[Sonny M]

Bush has stated his opposition to Civil Unions. Cheney, never has, it was never brought up as a campaign issue between Gore and Bush (Liberman was opposed, Bush was opposed, Gore used to imply that he was against gay marrage). Hillary has played games saying she opposes gay marrage, then saying she supports civil unions. Cheney hasn't helped his daugher get the help she needs, he got her a job instead (note he has 2 daughers,one of whom is straight and works at the state department) at Coors, the founder of Coors is well known in conservative circles as the basic founder and benefactor to the Heritage foundation. He recently passed away. Cheney's daugher works there currently, and is a log cabin republican, she doesn't seem to actually do anything though, she just has a title.

[Desdemona]

Well, this little law is ripe for abuse. Marriage in name only could become really popular.

They want the moon.

[George W. Bush]

Nice find. I can't believe I missed out on some of these threads.