***Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - 24 APR 03/Day 36 - LIVE THREAD***

24 APR 03 | An.American.Expatriate

[Mo1]

Operation Iraqi Freedom

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[Carolina]

I liked all they said, but was it genuine?

What, the nude pose didn't convince you of the naked truth??? ;)

[retrokitten]

I think it's the exec orders I'm thinking of. What a jealous, tiny man.

[Timeout]

Joe Scarborough said Bush ought to appoint Rev. Al Sharpton as Ambassador to France. LOL!
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I just flipped over to CNN and Aaron is droning on with Sen. George Mitchell. Now, I want to ask you. Who do you suppose sits at their desk lining up guests and comes up with .... George Mitchell, yeah, we'll see if we can get George Mitchell! Gad, he's boring.

[Carolina]

Besides, can you remember the last time Drudge was right about anything?

LOL! Matt's feeling left out of the war.

[retrokitten]

Maybe everyone else cancelled so they could watch the Dixie Chicks interview?

[bvw]

A few selected verses from a great and famous poem seem to apply:

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew,
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true,
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four --
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man --
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began --
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wobbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins,
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

         – R. Kipling, The Gods of the Copybook Headings

[Consort]

George Mitchell was the one who tricked Bush 41 into the "Read my Lips" mistake while Ross Perot gave the angry Conservatives an alternative to vote for. It worked like a charm and many conservatives still refuse to accept that.

[TexKat]

Oh I'm not critisizing (sp?) at all

I didn't think that, we were just conversing and I am trying to get use to not having to cook dinner for 5. My senior would fast food it every day if I let her.

[Carolina]

George Mitchell was also Tiny Tommy Dasshole's mentor.

[Timeout]

Drudge story is up...it's from the Guardian.

I haven't read it yet...

Blair's Secret War Meetings with Clinton

[Consort]

Mentor = puppetmaster.

[SoldiersGirl]

LOL

I know right.

I'm trying to be open minded and listen to what they're saying. I don't want to just say you're wrong you're wrong, without even listening.
I understand why they did the cover, I don't think they should be called sluts either, I don't think they should be getting death threats. I do think that we, as Americans, did the right thing by boycotting them and making our feelings known.
I also know that I have said things, only to realize later that my choice of words was completely wrong. I have been forgiven for it too.
So I'm in a bit of a quagmire here. :-)

I'm still mad, and I'm offended, but do I refuse to forgive?
My biggest complaint is that when she realized she used the wrong wording, why didn't she immediately retract the statement, and take the time to write up one expressing her true meaning. Why wait so long?
We, as Americans, are given the freedom to question our goverment, we have the freedom to critisize our govt, she admitted she did it in a disrespectful manner.

I keep going back and forth, and I'm still not sure how i feel.

[TexKat]

I just switched to MSNBC and they were showing an older interview with Aziz and he said that before he would let any of his men serve time at Guatanamo Bay, he would rather die first. Can we grant him his desire.

[Timeout]

Tiny Tommy Dasshole

I recommend we just start calling him Tinyhole. OK?

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The Blair story isn't much. It appears that, at a time Blair was encouraging Bush to return to the U.N., he may have used Clinton to send the message. Clinton made a speech on the subject 3 days after meeting with Blair.

[Consort]

They said the Aziz is a Christian. If he were smart, he would have joined the Christian Coalition.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Clinton's parting gift to Bush? Poking the Taliban hornet's nest...and running:

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 "Today, the United Nations removed all its remaining relief workers from the country, fearing a backlash from the Taliban, who will be almost completely isolated diplomatically when the resolution takes effect in 30 days, a grace period during which the Taliban could avoid sanctions by meeting the Council's demands." -  Tough Sanctions Imposed on Taliban Government Split UN, by Barbara Crossette, New York Times, Dec. 20,  2000.

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Why did Clinton wait until Dec. 19th, 2000 to push the UN for tougher sanctions against the Taliban?

Clinton's 1999 State Dept. Report on Terrorism shows that his administration knew a great deal about the international terrorist threat...their weapons, locations, history. The UN understood the danger...they pulled their own people out the same day they issued the new threat.

Dec. 18, 2000, the Electoral College elected George W. Bush President of the United States - officially ending the lengthy 2000 election.

Dec. 19, 2000: President Clinton went to the UN to push for tougher sanctions on the Taliban if they didn't hand over Osama Bin Laden.

Dec. 20, 2000: the UN reluctantly issued the threat with the 30 day grace period....to go into effect in time for President Bush's Inaugeration Day on Jan. 20, 2001.

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And more:
Last minute regs. putting ANWR and more than 5.6 million acres of federal land and our resources essentially off limits, signing the "Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP Benefits Improvement and Protection Act of 2000" (the "Act") on December 21, 2000..."record funding" - 5 years worth, killed the program created by Congress in 1999 to allow imports of low-cost prescription drugs, repealed the "tough new ethics rules" regarding lobbying he imposed on senior White House staff and other high-level administration appointees when he came into office, chose the UN over US sovereignty by signing us onto the ICC, changed arsenic level regs. for drinking water (and destroyed the "scientific evidence")...among the added 30,000 pages of new federal regulations, awarded $1 billion in grants for inner city housing, relaxed export controls on military grade computers, vandalized government property, appointed 21 of his own Dems. to protect our nation from cybersecurity threats- including Gore advisor Jack Quinn and Wellington Webb.

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One morning at the nub end of Bill Clinton's presidency, Clinton chief of staff John Podesta walked into a senior staff meeting in the Roosevelt Room waving a copy of USA Today. Holding the paper aloft, Podesta read the headline out loud, "Clinton actions annoy Bush." The article detailed the new rules and Executive Orders the outgoing President was issuing in his final days, actions aimed in equal measure at locking in Clinton's legacy... and bedeviling his successor. "What's Bush so annoyed about?" Podesta asked with a devilish smile. "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done."
Link.

"We laid a few traps," chirps a happy Clinton aide.....
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Why would Bill Clinton leave so many landmines for the new President, knowing that our national security was at stake?

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I think the Founders had Clinton in mind here:

Conducting Foreign Relations Without Authority: The Logan Act

Abstract: The Logan Act was intended to prohibit United States citizens without authority from interfering in relations between the United States and foreign governments. There appear to have been no prosecutions under the Act in its almost 200 year history. However, there have been a number of judicial references to the Act, and it is not uncommon for it to be used as a political weapon. Although attempts have been made to repeal the Act, it remains law and at least a potential sanction to be used against anyone who without authority interferes in the foreign relations of the United States.

[Consort]

Or Little Big Wank.

[Carolina]

Mentor = puppetmaster.

That explains this picture:

[CurlyBill]

Was Bill being "serviced" during this meeting?

[TexKat]

I understand why they did the cover, I don't think they should be called sluts either, I don't think they should be getting death threats. I do think that we, as Americans, did the right thing by boycotting them and making our feelings known.

I think that everyone should do what I am doing. Don't buy their music and ignore them and pretty soon they will just go away. They are getting way to much attention. And the nudity is oh so stupid. I am not calling them sluts, but I find that very degrading although I guess they've got to make money some kind of way. I'm sure that have massive expenses.