My Plea For the Old Sword

My Plea For The Old Sword book online ^ | 1997 | Ian Paisley

[fortheDeclaration]

Did I say that other languages did not have the exact words of God?

I said the King James is the exact words that God wants us to have.

Why would that preclude any other Bible from having that same words?

[fortheDeclaration]

I read 4 translations: The New American Standard (NASB)and The King James (KJV) for "word for word" translation. Then I read The Amplified Bible to get all the various definitions to passage. Last, I read the New International Version (NIV) for the writer's thought...that is what the thought trying to be conveyed in writer's day to what it would translate to us today. What a writer saw, heard or experienced 2 thousand years ago would be described differently by us today.

And how do you decide which translation is the correct one?

What objective standard do you use?

[fortheDeclaration]

I'll answer that question for you - YES. And anyone who has any respect for this perverted child abductor is lower than the beast Paisley. What? Is there something I should know about Ian Paisley?

Paisley is a strong anti-Catholic, Presbyterian.

[jude24]

Where did the "child abductor" part come from?

Dave Hunt, for instance, has never been accused of that....

[fortheDeclaration]

perverted child abductor? Yeah - and he was given a court order never to go near the teenager or her family ever again. BTW - I'm not Catholic, so your attempt at changing the subject is futile.

Now did I say you were Catholic?

All I said was that we know what the Roman Church does with children under her care.

You were the one who mentioned Paisly's anti-Roman Catholic view, which had nothing to do with the slander you were trying to make, just a way to get a little truth in before you spread the slander.

[Senator Pardek]

What slander? This sicko abducted a girl and was busted. That cannot be argued.

[fortheDeclaration]

What slander? This sicko abducted a girl and was busted. That cannot be argued.

Might you give some place where this can be checked?

Did he ever serve any time for kidnapping?

Is he still a minister?

[Just mythoughts]

"God creates everything perfect, then the Angelic revolt leaves everything a mess".

So why is it then that the current translation is not explain so that readers realize that verse 2 is talking to a specific event, happening prior to flesh man being created.

Seems rather simple that if it had been translated with the word "became" then the common reader like myself would not be lead to believe that it "was" instead of "became". The word "became" describes action to me where as the word "was" does not.

May not make a big difference to you, however, after reading that letter from the translators regarding their translation of the King James Version of 1611 and right off the bat in Genesis I find that Genesis 1:2 does not accurately say what "was" to be given to the reader.

My reading prior to checking things out led me to believe that Jeremiah 4:22---- was talking about Noah's flood.

I now know that Jeremiah was not talking about Noah's flood this event happend long before Noah. So please explain Jeremiah's flood that cannot be Noah's flood

v 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Noah's flood there was at least 8 flesh beings.

By the way to throw another curve my reading and understanding of Noah's flood was not worldwide. No there is no scripture written that says that, however the time written that Noah was in the ark to the time that the dove came back with the olive leaf pluckt off is not enough time without a miracle planting of an olive tree for that dove to find one.

No miracle is mentioned of an olive tree being planted or made available. This is my belief based upon what I know about the amount of time it takes an olive tree to grow leaves. So someday maybe I can see it differently but based upon what is written the flood was in an isolated area for an isolated purpose.

I am not a teacher/scholar, believe too much of my life what man said the Word said until I decided that the WORD had been played with so much it meant nothing or else I was going to have to get the basic tools for an English reader and study.

I have little faith in the modern day scholars, when they ignore things that I have found that can't be explained away or covered over.

No I do not have all the answers, but that doesn't stop me from studying.

[jude24]

I'm having a devil of a time trying to confirm this....

[esopman]

OK. I scanned this thread and should probably stay upwind of all this, however...

I will weigh in as a professional translator (25 years) though...and Bible believer, sinner saved by grace, follower of Y'shua ha Mashiakh.

Look: The KJV is a gift of God, but to insist that any version other than the KJV is an artifice of the enemy is ludicrous. I weary of those who will not respond gently to the Holy Spirit in love and recognize that our human minds are limited...and when we come down in such absolutist terms about a matter which is oh-so-secondary to the salvation and love of our messiah, we err.

There's this guy, Harold Camping, who holds this view, denies the gifts of the Spirit and is now actively encouraging shortwave listeners everywhere to leave the church. The 'church age is over' etc....More lunacy. (Yes, some churches need leaving, but there are some blessed spirit-filled congregations about).

Anyway, as far as the authorized version goes, I love it but do not look to it exclusively. A Greek interlinear is very helpful. Also, Bible readers would be well-served to get in touch with the Center for Judaeo-Christian Studies in Dayton, OH to better understand much of the Hebrew subtext of the NT.

It is only natural to want to cling to something physical as an absolute...but the KJV is not that and the natural impulse is wrong. Jesus is not important because the Bible says so; quite the other way around - the Bible is important because it reveals Jesus!

I would encourage all to build their lives on a tripod of (1) Serving Jesus, (2) Trusting the scriptures (NIV, NASB, KJV...not a politically correct or 'gender neutral' translation) and (3) Listening for the voice of, and obeying the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Please, please, please pray for a mind responsive to the Spirit of Christ! End of poorly written Saturday night rant. Blessings on Freepers Everywhere.

[fortheDeclaration]

God creates everything perfect, then the Angelic revolt leaves everything a mess". So why is it then that the current translation is not explain so that readers realize that verse 2 is talking to a specific event, happening prior to flesh man being created.

As I said, God is showing how this world was created, not the ending of the last one.

See the Campanion note on Gen.1:2 pointing to 2Pet.3:5-6 as a campanion verse.

Seems rather simple that if it had been translated with the word "became" then the common reader like myself would not be lead to believe that it "was" instead of "became". The word "became" describes action to me where as the word "was" does not.

Well, that is why we have to study is it not?

May not make a big difference to you, however, after reading that letter from the translators regarding their translation of the King James Version of 1611 and right off the bat in Genesis I find that Genesis 1:2 does not accurately say what "was" to be given to the reader.

It does say it very accuratly, as all the other translations show!

My reading prior to checking things out led me to believe that Jeremiah 4:22---- was talking about Noah's flood. I now know that Jeremiah was not talking about Noah's flood this event happend long before Noah. So please explain Jeremiah's flood that cannot be Noah's flood

That is the flood that wiped out everything between Gen.1:1 and 1:2.

v 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. Noah's flood there was at least 8 flesh beings.

True.

By the way to throw another curve my reading and understanding of Noah's flood was not worldwide. No there is no scripture written that says that, however the time written that Noah was in the ark to the time that the dove came back with the olive leaf pluckt off is not enough time without a miracle planting of an olive tree for that dove to find one.

It says in Gen.7:19 that all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven were covered.

All life on earth died.(vs.22)

No miracle is mentioned of an olive tree being planted or made available. This is my belief based upon what I know about the amount of time it takes an olive tree to grow leaves. So someday maybe I can see it differently but based upon what is written the flood was in an isolated area for an isolated purpose.

The water receded enough for an olive tree to be found, not that a new one grew (Gen.8:7-11)

I am not a teacher/scholar, believe too much of my life what man said the Word said until I decided that the WORD had been played with so much it meant nothing or else I was going to have to get the basic tools for an English reader and study. I have little faith in the modern day scholars, when they ignore things that I have found that can't be explained away or covered over.

Well, having little faith in modern day scholars is a wise view! No I do not have all the answers, but that doesn't stop me from studying.

[fortheDeclaration]

It is only natural to want to cling to something physical as an absolute...but the KJV is not that and the natural impulse is wrong. Jesus is not important because the Bible says so; quite the other way around - the Bible is important because it reveals Jesus!

Correct and that is why you need the right Bible, not an NIV or NASB, which are from the wrong Greek texts.

[arjay]

Just for the record, would you mind telling us your credentials in the study of Hebrew and Greek? I have no intention of getting into an argument. I just wonder about your expertise in comparing the various translations to the original texts.

[fortheDeclaration]

Just for the record, would you mind telling us your credentials in the study of Hebrew and Greek? I have no intention of getting into an argument. I just wonder about your expertise in comparing the various translations to the original texts.

Just for the record I had 4 years of classical Greek.

I have studied Hebrew on my own for a number of years.

[HiTech RedNeck]

And how do you decide which translation is the correct one?

This begs the question that we should be even asking what translation is the "correct one." It's like asking what visual perspective of the Statue of Liberty is the "correct one."

[Woahhs]

Please provide the context of that study.

[Woahhs]

I have to ask the falsefiability question as I haven't seen it yet.

If in fact you were in error, and God gave no particular blessing to the KJV, how could it be proven to you? What evidence would you accept?

[fortheDeclaration]

And how do you decide which translation is the correct one? This begs the question that we should be even asking what translation is the "correct one." It's like asking what visual perspective of the Statue of Liberty is the "correct one."

When two readings disagree there isn't a right one?

[fortheDeclaration]

I have to ask the falsefiability question as I haven't seen it yet. If in fact you were in error, and God gave no particular blessing to the KJV, how could it be proven to you? What evidence would you accept?

The evidence that it hasn't blessed those who used it for almost 400 years.

The evidence that it is still not the most widely used and revered translation.

[fortheDeclaration]

Please provide the context of that study.

What do you mean?