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Who Decides Who's Black or Hispanic (When Doling out the Affirmative Action Spoils?)
Village Voice ^ | April 4th, 2003 6:00 PM | Nat Hentoff

Posted on 04/08/2003 2:09:25 PM PDT by dead

Should Individuals of More Than One Race Be Preferred?

An especially challenging question concerning affirmative action was not addressed at all by the Supreme Court in the University of Michigan case in oral arguments last week. Indeed, most of the supporters of affirmative action have also evaded that question entirely.

The first reference I found to the question was in Justice William O. Douglas's dissent in Defunis v. Odegaard (1974). (A white applicant to the University of Washington Law School in Seattle claimed he was rejected because of the school's racial preference policy.)

Douglas wrote that in this kind of case, "one must immediately determine which groups are to receive such favored treatment and which are to be excluded . . . and even the criteria by which to determine whether an individual is a member of a favored group." (Emphasis added).

In his book The Minority Rights Revolution (Harvard University Press, 2002), John Skrentny, professor of sociology at the University of California, San Diego, became much more disturbingly specific: "Policymakers or the courts will have to decide just how much of a minority one has to be to qualify, and how the government can verify minority status. This decision will require what policymakers have avoided from the beginning: a massive study of which groups are actually discriminated against and to what degree—when, where, and how." (Emphasis added.)

In The Chronicle of Higher Education—the most authoritative news source on higher-education issues—Skrentny was even more specific when referring to the automatic 20 points added to admission scores of blacks and Hispanics seeking entrance to the University of Michigan's undergraduate programs.

He asked "whether someone who is half—or quarter—Latino should get all 20 points, or whether Mexican and Puerto Rican applicants deserve more points than Salvadoran or Cuban applicants, or whether a recent Latino immigrant should receive all of the points," and so on, including applicants born in Spain.

He noted that "the public records of students admitted by colleges under affirmative action make no distinction between . . . black students born here and those who are immigrants, or the children of immigrants, from the West Indies or Africa."

Further complicating the question of who deserves preference in view of racial and ethnic discrimination in this country are certain results of Census 2000: A total of 6.8 million Americans told the Census Bureau that they are members of two or more races. And 80 percent of those who identified themselves as biracial listed white as one of those races.

Moreover, as reported in the April 8, 2001, New York Times—and as mentioned in my article "All Mixed Up" in Legal Times—"Children under the age of 18 . . . are twice as likely [as adults] to identify themselves as being of more than one race." This is going to be increasingly the case in this decidedly multicultural country.

Nonetheless, as Gary Pavela wrote in the September 4, 2000, Synfax—a weekly commentary on legal issues in higher education throughout the country—the present system of color-coding college and university admissions "is close to becoming an unquestioned truth [and] an unquestioned truth has a way of settling into orthodoxy. It discourages criticism; becomes rigid and complacent."

It also results in such intricate discrimination in selecting beneficiaries of affirmative action as preferences to Hispanics at the University of Michigan Law School being given to Mexican Americans and mainland Puerto Ricans—but not to applicants raised in Puerto Rico itself, a commonwealth associated with the United States.

My guess is that the Supreme Court will not declare affirmative action unconstitutional as it is now practiced preferentially in college admissions.

The swing vote is likely to be that of Sandra Day O'Connor, who may strike down the automatic 20-point bonus that blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans get. But a majority of the Court may well preserve less glaringly conspicuous preference systems under what it calls strict judicial scrutiny—lest racial preferences get out of hand.

But as we become more interracial and multi-ethnic, how are college admissions committees going to decide what percentage of an applicant's blood makes him or her sufficiently black or Hispanic to become a member of a preferred group?

For the first time, the 2000 census allowed us to identify ourselves as being of more than one race. One result was that 37.7 million Americans define themselves as black "in combination with one or more other races"—a slightly higher percentage, according to The New York Times, "than the overall figure for Latinos."

Meanwhile, no matter how the Supreme Court decides on affirmative action, the problem of discrimination in schools remains. The court provided an integrationist mandate with its 1954 decision in Brown v. Board of Education (which said that segregated public schools are inherently unconstitutional), but it has steadily betrayed that decision, so that there are now more segregated schools, with inferior resources, than there were in 1954. Because millions of blacks and Hispanics in those schools have been taught, destructively and inaccurately, that they are dumb, they don't apply to colleges. Many drop out of school entirely.

As Daniel Henninger reported in the January 24 Wall Street Journal, "Three years ago in New York, the percentage of black students who did not graduate from high school was 54 percent. . . . Across the nation, the average non-graduate rate for black students is 45 percent. These numbers are surely the same year in and year out, which means that every June in America, largely unnoticed and unremarked upon, almost half the nation's black kids wash over the falls of our urban school systems." (Hispanic dropout rates are also dismaying.)

"This is the real affirmative-action status quo," Henninger continued. "The Harvards, Princetons, Amhersts, Michigans, and Georgetowns fight like dogs over the same small pool of high-achieving black and Hispanic 18-year-olds." And all the rest, whatever their mixture of colors, are left behind.

If the Republican and Democratic leaders in Congress, the presidents through the years, the courts, and the adversaries in the college affirmative-action debates had devoted their passions and their priorities to liberating all these victims of failing schools, there would have been a true diversity of Americans with decent jobs and futures, instead of all this intense concern for what the Supreme Court will do about "diversity"—affirmative action for the few.


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If the Republican and Democratic leaders in Congress, the presidents through the years, the courts, and the adversaries in the college affirmative-action debates had devoted their passions and their priorities to liberating all these victims of failing schools, there would have been a true diversity of Americans with decent jobs and futures, instead of all this intense concern for what the Supreme Court will do about "diversity"—affirmative action for the few.

Bingo! Well said Nat, but there are too many “leaders” of the Jesse Jackson mold, who are more beholden to the liberal agenda and the teacher’s unions than they are to the constituency they claim to represent.

1 posted on 04/08/2003 2:09:25 PM PDT by dead
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2 posted on 04/08/2003 2:11:16 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: dead
Two words: Nuremberg Laws.
3 posted on 04/08/2003 2:13:35 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: dead
Nat, Nat, Nat, you've forgotten the Asians. The Asians ask for so little is likely why they're never remembered when the handouts happen.

Wish I had the article that appeared a few yrs ago, about the Vietnamese couple who'd just put their 8th child through college. One worked through the day, the other in the evening so there would be supervision in the home. I believe they live in VA.

4 posted on 04/08/2003 2:14:01 PM PDT by katze
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To: dead
I would like to see all Americans just list themselves as being in a minority group and see if the beaurocrats can really figure it all out. We shall not be "denied our roots".
5 posted on 04/08/2003 2:15:15 PM PDT by Mark (Treason doeth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: denydenydeny
South Africa had a similar system that was correctly labeled barbaric.

I guess US liberals have the hearts in the right place, so their apartheid-style categorizations are supposedly benign.

6 posted on 04/08/2003 2:15:31 PM PDT by dead
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What two Americans with identical skin tone and similar facial features?

One is from Mexico, his name is Eduardo Estrada.

Another one is from the Philipines, his name is also Eduardo Estrada.

Since both Mexicans and Philipinos have Spanish surnames, who is Asian and who is Hispanic?

This is very important, since the Mexican "Eduardo" will get 20 extra points in University of Michigan admittance score.

The Philipino "Eduardo" will get 0 extra points in the University of Michigan admittance score.


The foolishness of affirmative action is becoming so obvious.

A program started to help African-Americans has turned into a spoil system for the "minority" du jour.

7 posted on 04/08/2003 2:23:47 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: denydenydeny
Hmmm, nice reminder. I had forgotten about the Nuremburg Laws.
8 posted on 04/08/2003 2:26:31 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: katze
The Asians don't want to be included in the hand-outs...that would lower the standard of living.

They exercise an unfair advantage...they study hard, achieve and become a success!

It is all so unfair!

9 posted on 04/08/2003 2:27:26 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: dead
All ya gotta do is show up with a hispanic sounding surname and you are golden...
Know some folks from Northern Wi named Rodriguez....whiter than fresh fallen sleet...not a drop of mexican or south american blood in them..that they know of
But not only eligiable for college funds and tuition grants and low interest loans...
They are eligible for all kinds of aid and finance...

Given the very word "hispanic" means like the people of spain (hispaniola + ic)...and spainards are Europeans..hispanic means like the people of Europe...
So how is it that people "like the people of Europe" are affirmative action fodder?
Heck if you emmigrate here from Spain your gonna have a hispanic last name maybe even a cool first one like Jose or Juan...

Where do you want your check sent?...
10 posted on 04/08/2003 2:29:14 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: george wythe
True story:

I know a white American guy who changed his name to that of his mother's second husband (Gonzalez) so that he could get better dental school admissions offers.
11 posted on 04/08/2003 2:39:22 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("Democracy, whiskey! And sexy!")
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To: dead
Maybe they could get something like a colorimeter. You could stick your arm into it, and it could measure you quantitatively, and your benefits or lack thereof could be proportional.

Or, to minimize the suntan effect, maybe they could measure something that's usually covered by clothing. Of course, people could still cheat and go to a nude beach or something like that. They could put it on the honor system.

We could sell these machines to the Brazillians who are having a big problem with this. They have 300 different racial classifications; so a computerized system would be very helpful to them.

12 posted on 04/08/2003 2:52:20 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: dead
Ha ... Bah ! What about me? What about my rights?

Jerkwater Judges and their stupid rules see out of only one one eye and very badly most of the time.

I am one-quarter Native American. My father was half Blackfoot and had very unusual steel grey eyes to prove it. My brother and my son have the high cheekbones and dark complexion of the Plains Indian. My son qualified for special programs when he was in grade school.

But I look like my mother who was English and Norwegian. I inherited her looks and my father's temperment.

For those that do not understand: Never pick a fight with a Viking or an Indian. You will lose, eventually, in the end you will lose.

13 posted on 04/08/2003 2:52:42 PM PDT by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: Mark
John LeBoutillier tells an interesting story about how he applied to Stanford Law, checked the Native American box, and then was subsequently "checked out" by some operatives to verify he was American Indian.

You've got to wonder who these people are and how they find the time to do these things!

14 posted on 04/08/2003 2:53:22 PM PDT by BamaGirl
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To: Beelzebubba
I knew a guy that was just going to legally change his last name to a hispanic name so he could get accepted into medical school and said he would change it back after graduation. That way he'd get certain acceptance and more financial aid than he needed, otherwise he was likely out both ways.
15 posted on 04/08/2003 2:57:42 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: dead
The social stumbling is going to continue until our society admits what others have plainly stated.

Diversity is favoratism rationed to individuals based on matters outside their personal control.

As Douglas pointed out, if our society is to accept the diversity concept we must first justify the need to catagorize groups. As Skrenkny pointed out, once a group definition is justified then we must justify the basis for inclusion in a group.

Both tasks are impossible in a rational light, hence the unwillingnes to address the issue directly.

16 posted on 04/08/2003 2:59:13 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Mark
I would like to see all Americans just list themselves as being in a minority group and see if the beaurocrats can really figure it all out.

Why not? Whenever I have one of those Affirmative Action things going against me, I just list myself as "Puerto Rican." Technically it is correct because I lived in PR for a few years. Hey, I could also list myself as black. Who is to say I'm not? Actually I'm really an Aleut Indian. Am I really an Aleut? Hey, I say I am if it helps me with an Affirmative action program. Anyway, I encourage EVERYBODY to claim any ethnicity they need to be to get in on the Affirmative Action goodies!

17 posted on 04/08/2003 3:02:00 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Person With No Sense Of Humor Is Someone Who Confuses The Irreverent With The Irrelevant)
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To: Beelzebubba
I have a friend who went to MIT of Indian descent. He's a nice guy and all, but intellectually, he was no match for the other Indians I knew. (He admitted this himself!)

Then one day, he let me in on his secret -- he had checked the "African-American" box on his college application. This was without malice -- he honestly thought of himself as such, as he was born in Africa and spent part of his childhood there, and the rest in the U.S.!

18 posted on 04/08/2003 3:02:30 PM PDT by BamaGirl
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To: Beelzebubba
I know a white American guy who changed his name to that of his mother's second husband (Gonzalez)

That's called firing fire with fire.

Those of us who have a drop of black blood, or American Indian blood, etc, should check the minority boxes.

Overwhelm the system until collapses of its own weight

19 posted on 04/08/2003 3:03:21 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: joesnuffy
I thought affirmative action was justified in the first place to correct centuries of institutionalized racism where one group was denied opportunities ----so on what basis are immigrants being handed all this affirmative action?
20 posted on 04/08/2003 3:04:12 PM PDT by FITZ
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