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Iraqis Shoot at U.S. Tanks Caught in Narrow Streets
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 04/08/03 | Greg Grant

Posted on 04/08/2003 9:50:59 AM PDT by bedolido

WITH THE U.S. 3RD INFANTRY DIVISION, BAGHDAD -- Iraqi tank-killer teams armed with rocket propelled grenades have been stalking the huge American tanks as they moved tentatively in narrow streets since the lightning U.S. thrusts began into the capital. "Iraqis were firing down on us from rooftops that we were lighting up with every machine gun we have," said tank commander Lt. Mike Flynn. "We could see them try to get into position to shoot RPGs [rocket propelled grenades] into our engine deck. We couldn't move because there wasn't enough room on the road so we just kept up a high volume of fire." The huge American M1 tanks are out of their element in the constricted streets and alleys of the Iraqi capital, where mobility is greatly restricted and an enemy on foot can get in close for an attack. Iraqis have learned that the frontal armor of the M1 tank is impenetrable so they have adopted a new technique of firing numerous rocket propelled grenades at vulnerable sides and rear engine compartments. Cleverly camouflaged Iraqi anti-aircraft guns and tanks backed into buildings and side streets, try to hit the huge M1s in the side as they drive by. Iraqis have even resorted to kamikaze-type attacks. During fighting Monday they drove sport utility vehicles loaded with high explosive at U.S. armored vehicles. One M1 tank was knocked out by Iraqi fire. U.S. tank commander Sgt. Steve Smith had his tank temporarily disabled by an Iraqi anti-tank missile. "I wasn't expecting enemy fire from the left and we were firing off to our right and suddenly the tank rocked on its side and a fireball filled the crew compartment and almost at the same time I felt an intense heat wave and then it was gone as the Halon [fire suppressant system] immediately kicked in." The tank was still drivable but the crew couldn't raise or lower the gun or move the turret. Other tank crews directed Smith as he reversed back down the narrow street to the safety of the rest of the tank company. Determined to have every available vehicle in the fight, U.S. forces quickly patched up the tank and sent it back into the fighting. Caught unawares and still recovering from the battering they took in the fight for the Baghdad international airport, the Iraqis were slow to react to the first U.S. strikes into the city. But by Monday, Saddam Hussein's fanatical paramilitary fedayeen fighters and soldiers from his multiple security services are putting up a spirited resistance. "When you back a tiger into a corner it fights twice as hard," said an M1 tank gunner. Roadblocks are going up around town and the Iraqi military concealed tanks, artillery and other fighting vehicles throughout the city. Artillery fire coming from the center of Baghdad was causing heavy casualties among American units forming a cordon around the capital. A headquarters unit was hit, resulting in a number of dead and wounded Americans. An artillery duel continued between U.S. artillery spread around the airport and Iraqi batteries hidden in the streets and parks of Baghdad. Iraqi artillery periodically emerged from concealment to fire off a few rounds in the direction of American units and then hurriedly move into hiding to avoid the inevitable American response. As darkness descended on the battlefield Monday, the tank crews passed around cups of coffee, some drinking them from newly liberated Iraqi canteens. Iraqi anti aircraft fire lit up the night sky. ----- Greg Grant is a Salt Lake City resident and correspondent for The Salt Lake Tribune with the 3rd Infantry Division in Iraq.


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1 posted on 04/08/2003 9:51:00 AM PDT by bedolido
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To: bedolido
QUAGMIRE ALERT! Oh, we're going to lose, it's so horrible...snif snif.

OK, kidding aside, he does have a point that those tanks are out of their element in city fighting--ANY tank is out of its element in city fighting.

}:-)4
2 posted on 04/08/2003 9:53:17 AM PDT by Moose4 (Mew havoc, and let loose the kittens of ZOT!)
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3 posted on 04/08/2003 9:53:34 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: bedolido
Formatting is your friend.
4 posted on 04/08/2003 9:56:02 AM PDT by Arkie2 (TSA ="Thousands standing around")
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To: Moose4
Your are right. Tanks are out of their element in this environment, which is why I think the media is making too big of a deal about Iraqi's having abandoned their Tanks and other heavy artillery.

The tanks were for stopping the coalition from entering the city in the first place. That didn't work. They got pounded by our air.

Now basically there is no need for tanks for the Iraqi's. That's one of, but not the only reason for abandoning them.

Of course, it also means that they have NO chance of ever driving us out -- not like they ever did -- but their strategy must be to mount harrassing attacks that gradually attrit us.

They are going to to take heavy, heavy casualties. But that too is part of the plan, strangely enough. The greater the casualties we inflict, the more revulsion among the Arab(ble) populace, the less welcoming the Iraqis will be to us, the greater the international pressure brought to bear to try to end this thing.

Bush, of course, won't be deterred by any of it. But you do have to hand to those Iraqi's. They so seem willing to die en masse for an utterly lost cause.
5 posted on 04/08/2003 10:00:10 AM PDT by leftiesareloonie
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To: snopercod; bedolido
Where are the short-barrel M1-A1/2's?
6 posted on 04/08/2003 10:00:52 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Moose4
Actually, the Iraqis only temporarily paralyzed 1 US tank, before it was repaired.
7 posted on 04/08/2003 10:03:20 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: bedolido
One M1 tank was knocked out by Iraqi fire. U.S. tank commander Sgt. Steve Smith had his tank temporarily disabled by an Iraqi anti-tank missile. "I wasn't expecting enemy fire from the left and we were firing off to our right and suddenly the tank rocked on its side and a fireball filled the crew compartment and almost at the same time I felt an intense heat wave and then it was gone as the Halon [fire suppressant system] immediately kicked in." The tank was still drivable but the crew couldn't raise or lower the gun or move the turret.

What can I say. Impressive.

8 posted on 04/08/2003 10:07:11 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: Moose4
Yep. Keep the tanks on the nice wide freeways well away from buildings.
9 posted on 04/08/2003 10:08:48 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: leftiesareloonie
But you do have to hand to those Iraqi's. They so seem willing to die en masse for an utterly lost cause.


and we are...
10 posted on 04/08/2003 10:12:24 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: Moose4
Tanks work great in the city if you're willing to blow down anything that gets in your way. But that wouldn't be PC would it.
11 posted on 04/08/2003 10:22:40 AM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American anger)
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To: Moose4
Perhaps the tanks should stay out of narrow streets. Or go as pairs, one forward, one in reverse, tail to tail.
12 posted on 04/08/2003 10:32:47 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Arkie2
The Iraqis bought anti-formatting bombs from the Russians.
13 posted on 04/08/2003 10:39:01 AM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: bedolido
We need the Vietnam-era quad 50s and Ontos systems for this fight - they worked very well in Hue City, so one would expect they would work in Baghdad. The quads are a devastating, fear-inspiring weapon in this type of situation. A 7.62 machine gun, even a 25mm cannon, just doesn't have the killing grunt the quad 50s have.
14 posted on 04/08/2003 10:40:06 AM PDT by astounded
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To: bedolido
Iraqis Shoot at U.S. Tanks Caught in Narrow Streets

Soldiers of A Company, 3rd Battalion, 7th Infantry Regiment, relax on the elaborate furniture in one of Saddam Hussein's palaces in Baghdad on Monday. They had been searching the building, damaged in bombing. (John Moore/The Associated Press)

By Greg Grant
Special to The Tribune

WITH THE U.S. 3RD INFANTRY DIVISION, BAGHDAD -- Iraqi tank-killer teams armed with rocket propelled grenades have been stalking the huge American tanks as they moved tentatively in narrow streets since the lightning U.S. thrusts began into the capital.

"Iraqis were firing down on us from rooftops that we were lighting up with every machine gun we have," said tank commander Lt. Mike Flynn. "We could see them try to get into position to shoot RPGs [rocket propelled grenades] into our engine deck. We couldn't move because there wasn't enough room on the road so we just kept up a high volume of fire."

The huge American M1 tanks are out of their element in the constricted streets and alleys of the Iraqi capital, where mobility is greatly restricted and an enemy on foot can get in close for an attack.

Iraqis have learned that the frontal armor of the M1 tank is impenetrable so they have adopted a new technique of firing numerous rocket propelled grenades at vulnerable sides and rear engine compartments. Cleverly camouflaged Iraqi anti-aircraft guns and tanks backed into buildings and side streets, try to hit the huge M1s in the side as they drive by.

Iraqis have even resorted to kamikaze-type attacks. During fighting Monday they drove sport utility vehicles loaded with high explosive at U.S. armored vehicles. One M1 tank was knocked out by Iraqi fire.

U.S. tank commander Sgt. Steve Smith had his tank temporarily disabled by an Iraqi anti-tank missile.
"I wasn't expecting enemy fire from the left and we were firing off to our right and suddenly the tank rocked on its side and a fireball filled the crew compartment and almost at the same time I felt an intense heat wave and then it was gone as the Halon [fire suppressant system] immediately kicked in."

The tank was still drivable but the crew couldn't raise or lower the gun or move the turret. Other tank crews directed Smith as he reversed back down the narrow street to the safety of the rest of the tank company. Determined to have every available vehicle in the fight, U.S. forces quickly patched up the tank and sent it back into the fighting.

Caught unawares and still recovering from the battering they took in the fight for the Baghdad international airport, the Iraqis were slow to react to the first U.S. strikes into the city. But by Monday, Saddam Hussein's fanatical paramilitary fedayeen fighters and soldiers from his multiple security services are putting up a spirited resistance.

"When you back a tiger into a corner it fights twice as hard," said an M1 tank gunner.
Roadblocks are going up around town and the Iraqi military concealed tanks, artillery and other fighting vehicles throughout the city.

Artillery fire coming from the center of Baghdad was causing heavy casualties among American units forming a cordon around the capital. A headquarters unit was hit, resulting in a number of dead and wounded Americans. An artillery duel continued between U.S. artillery spread around the airport and Iraqi batteries hidden in the streets and parks of Baghdad.

Iraqi artillery periodically emerged from concealment to fire off a few rounds in the direction of American units and then hurriedly move into hiding to avoid the inevitable American response.

As darkness descended on the battlefield Monday, the tank crews passed around cups of coffee, some drinking them from newly liberated Iraqi canteens. Iraqi anti aircraft fire lit up the night sky.

----- Greg Grant is a Salt Lake City resident and correspondent for The Salt Lake Tribune with the 3rd Infantry Division in Iraq.

15 posted on 04/08/2003 10:42:15 AM PDT by blam
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To: Arkie2
Formatting is your friend.

It was a textual quagmire, all right. All those words, caught in one narrow paragraph....

16 posted on 04/08/2003 10:43:58 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: expatpat
"Perhaps the tanks should stay out of narrow streets. Or go as pairs, one forward, one in reverse, tail to tail."

Put our snipers on the tallest buildings.

17 posted on 04/08/2003 10:46:25 AM PDT by blam
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To: First_Salute
"Where are the short-barrel M1-A1/2's?"

Would an M60A2 or CEV work?


18 posted on 04/08/2003 10:49:20 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: leftiesareloonie
Of course, it also means that they have NO chance of ever driving us out -- not like they ever did -- but their strategy must be to mount harrassing attacks that gradually attrit us.

They are going to to take heavy, heavy casualties. But that too is part of the plan, strangely enough. The greater the casualties we inflict, the more revulsion among the Arab(ble) populace, the less welcoming the Iraqis will be to us, the greater the international pressure brought to bear to try to end this thing.

This is, I think, the definition of a long-term quagmire. Immediate victory was never in doubt for the US, and a temporary period sort of resembling peace may actually be established (or not; wait and see).

Long-term, though, the resentment that the presence of US troops on foreign soil will only result in more American deaths, increased acts of terrorism -- in the middle east as well as the US.

It doesn't really matter that Saddam Hussein is (was? at this writing he may be just a pile of goo) an evil man. It may truly be, as we've been told, that the whole region hated and feared him. And they are undoubtedly happy to be rid of him, particularly Iraq's enemies such as Iran, who will see an opportunity and a power void.

They will still resent the US in the long run, and any temporary blissful strewing of flowers at American GIs will be replaced by pissed-off ragheads tossing Molotov Cocktails.

I hope President Bush brings the troops - all of them - home soon.

19 posted on 04/08/2003 10:53:14 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: bedolido
"...stalking the huge American tanks as they moved tentatively in narrow streets..."

How does one of these behemoths move "tentatively"?

20 posted on 04/08/2003 10:57:11 AM PDT by MainFrame65
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