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US wants Saddam to be tried by Iraqi people
The Times ^ | April 8, 2003 | Richard Beeston

Posted on 04/07/2003 3:59:34 PM PDT by MadIvan

IF AMERICAN forces capture Saddam Hussein, they intend to see the Iraqi President tried by his own people for crimes against humanity, rather than face justice in an international tribunal.

According to senior Bush Administration officials, plans are well under way for a series of criminal prosecutions, ranging from the Iraqi leadership down to individual soldiers who may have committed war crimes against US and coalition troops in this war and in the last Gulf War.

The scale of the planned American prosecutions, which have not yet been agreed with the British, is breathtaking and could outstrip the dozens of trials that followed the civil wars in the former Yugoslavia in the Nineties.

Pierre-Richard Prosper, the American official responsible for prosecuting war crimes, said: “The day of Iraq’s liberation will also be the day of justice.” He accused Iraq of a pattern of abuses during the current fighting.

Mr Prosper denied that Washington proposed victor’s justice, but conceded that punishment for those convicted would range from “incarceration to the death penalty”. “There has been a complete disregard for the law by the regime, as well as a complete disregard for human life,” he told a press conference at the Pentagon.

His ambitious plans for punishing the regime could, however, cause friction with Britain and other members of the international community. While London has insisted that those responsible for crimes should be brought to justice, there is also a view that purging the present regime could harm efforts to keep the country running.

“Anyone guilty of a crime should be punished and there is no room for Baath party ideologues,” a British official said, “but some people may have joined out of necessity. It may be that we need their skills to keep the country going.”

Mr Prosper said that the Americans were preparing cases against numerous suspected Iraqi war criminals. In the present fighting, they are accused of: using human shields; fighting in civilian clothes; using ambulances to transport fighters; executing deserters and hiding weapons in schools, hospitals and mosques.

The Americans also intend to arrest and prosecute Iraqis who mistreat American prisoners or parade them on television, in contravention of the Geneva Conventions.

Washington believes that the cases could be heard in either American civilian or military courts. Since neither the United States nor Iraq are signatories to the new International Criminal Court in The Hague, it would not have jurisdiction over crimes committed in the war.

Some of the first prosecutions may be brought by the British against two Iraqi irregulars who were arrested last week near Basra, suspected of taking part in the killing of two British soldiers.

There could also be prosecutions for war crimes committed against British troops captured in the last Gulf War and the widespread violations of human rights against Kuwaiti citizens during the Iraqi military occupation between 1990 and 1991.

There are believed to be a few dozen political and military leaders in the Baath party regime who are directly implicated in the suppression of the Iraqi people. The Iraqi leadership is accused of killing thousands of its own people, in particular the massacres of Kurds in the Eighties during the Iran-Iraq War, and later the suppression of the Shia Muslims in 1991.

“For past abuses, past atrocities, it is our view that there should be accountability,” Mr Prosper said. “We will work with the Iraqi people to create an Iraqi-led process that will bring justice for the years of abuses that have occurred.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; decapitation; iraq; postwariraq; saddam; uk; us; war
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This is fine with me. Just have a Shia and a Kurd as the judges.

Say good night, Saddam...if you're still alive.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 04/07/2003 3:59:34 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: hoosiermama; Dutchgirl; Freedom'sWorthIt; Carolina; patricia; annyokie; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 04/07/2003 3:59:49 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Saddam will get a much fairer trial in Iraq -- can anyone say "piano wire".
3 posted on 04/07/2003 4:00:52 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: rhombus
Can anyone say "feet first into the shredder"?
4 posted on 04/07/2003 4:01:54 PM PDT by Aria
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To: MadIvan
"there is also a view that purging the present regime could harm efforts to keep the country running."

Enter the bureaucrat !

5 posted on 04/07/2003 4:03:40 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Proud USMC Gulf War Grunt !)
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To: MadIvan
These trials have the potential to be a fine impetus for a new Iraqi judicial system based on the rule of law.

Make that lawyer who saved Private Lynch the first Chief Justice... ;-)
6 posted on 04/07/2003 4:03:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Aria
Who's gonna clean up that mess? :-)
7 posted on 04/07/2003 4:03:44 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: Aria; hchutch; Chancellor Palpatine; dighton; MadIvan
Watch as we try to advise the judges and jury about American standards of jurisprudence.

"C'mon folks, you need to prepare a bill of charges, and make those charges publicly, and allow his attorneys to question the evidence presented against him."

And then the judge will do some research on Texas justice, and discover the great loophole, and he will say to the American judicial advisors:

HE NEEDED KILLIN'!

8 posted on 04/07/2003 4:05:13 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: MadIvan
Hopefully, we'll find out just how much the Iraqi people REALLY 'love' Saddam once his regime is destroyed.
9 posted on 04/07/2003 4:06:43 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions= Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: MadIvan
Say good night, Saddam...if you're still alive.

That is a good question. Reports from 1991 say Saddam left Baghdad and was driven around in taxis, not limos, to avoid detection. He's like all cruel torturers, he fears because of what he has done to others. He obviously hasn't feared any god of his, but if he's alive, eternity is facing him. Good night, Saddam.

10 posted on 04/07/2003 4:08:21 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Thud
I bet you will find this of interest.
11 posted on 04/07/2003 4:13:57 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: MadIvan
Good post, as usual.

Some of the first prosecutions may be brought by the British against two Iraqi irregulars who were arrested last week near Basra, suspected of taking part in the killing of two British soldiers.

Are the British going to overcome their reluctance to impose the death penalty?

12 posted on 04/07/2003 4:15:19 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: MadIvan
As it should be!
13 posted on 04/07/2003 4:17:45 PM PDT by k2blader ("Mercy, detached from Justice, grows unmerciful." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: 68skylark
Are the British going to overcome their reluctance to impose the death penalty?

I am sure that even our officials will whistle and look the other way if Iraqi judges hang them.

Regards, Ivan

14 posted on 04/07/2003 4:18:38 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Aria
Test subject for WMD samples.

If he blisters it's mustard gas, if his pupils constrict and he starts twitching it's nerve gas, and if he gets bumps all over it's smallpox.

15 posted on 04/07/2003 4:20:15 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (France: The whore for Babylon)
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To: MadIvan
Saddam might end up with no hands, no feet and no tongue, and be forced to beg moan for alms for ala in the streets of Baghdad. The Iraqi people will not have any PC crowd looking over their shoulder either.
16 posted on 04/07/2003 4:20:35 PM PDT by chainsaw
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To: MadIvan
Public execution?
17 posted on 04/07/2003 4:24:46 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
Public execution?

Ceaucescu or Mussolini style, I hope. ;)

Regards, Ivan

18 posted on 04/07/2003 4:25:57 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
I was just eating dinner and listening to a report on what Saddam allowed one of his generals to do the people of Basra. Firing squad might be too fast.
19 posted on 04/07/2003 4:28:08 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: MadIvan
This is absolutely, 100% what needs to happen. It would be another liberating experience for Iraq to try and punish their tormentor.
20 posted on 04/07/2003 4:28:55 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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