American Legal System Is Corrupt Beyond Recognition, Judge Tells Harvard Law School

MassNews.com ^ | March 7 2003 | Geraldine Hawkins

[justshutupandtakeit]

Amid this collection of paranoid crap is proof that your contention if false.

It refers to titles of nobility or offices from a foreign country. Lawyers are admitted to practice by Americans entitled to do so by their respective STATES. "Esquire" is not a title of nobility in America or do you think "Sir" Mix-a-Lot is a noble? Ridiculous crap.

At least two thirds of the writers of the constitution were lawyers including the best ones. Only a fool would believe that our nation could have excluded such people as Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, Monroe, Marshall, Randolph, Jackson, Calhoun, Van Buren, Polk, Lincoln, etc, etc, etc, etc, and suceeded as a nation. Sure excluding almost ALL of the founders would have been SUCH a GREAT idea. Can any idea be MORE absurd?

How many states were in the Union in 1819? How many would have had to have ratified this idiotic and redundent amendment? Which would have done nothing but waste ink anyway. Answer 20 or 21 and 15 or 16. Neither of the latter numbers was reached.

Oh, and the oldest copy of the constitution was NOT printed in 1825 it is in the National Archieves and is from 1787 and signed by the Convention members.

Your "Constitution" showing the "original" 13th amendment is bogus. Just getting printed in a book doesn't make it authentic and in order to evaluate its true meaning I would have to see the book and the context it is within. Probably says something like "the following is NOT a real constitution" but you left that out. LoL.

[RamingtonStall]

Thanks for the Post. It certainly would be nice if She could be appointed to the Supreme Court!

At least she recognizes the problem so there is a small chance that something could be done to reign in the Lawyers. Most others do not even see the problem!

Peace, Thru Superior FirePower!

RamS

[Mikey]

"Esquire" is not a title of nobility in America"

Esq. "British. Latterly borrowed in U.S. Esquire.

Esquire. "British. A title after a mans name, a squire, or aspirant to knighthood. Aspirant. "A person who aspires; one who seeks advancement, honors, high position, etc."

Knighthood. "The rank or dignity of a knight."

Knight "A man usually of noble birth, who after an apprenticeship as a page and squire was raised to honorable military rank."

Noble "Belonging to or constituting a class (the nobility) possessing a hereditary social or political preeminence in a country or state."

Preeminent. "Eminent before or above others; superior to or surpassing others; distinguished beyond others."

All the above definitions taken from THE AMERICAN COLLEGE DICTIONARY , 1958

I don't know, it seems to me the word "Esquire" is a title of nobility. Maybe those who wrote "THE AMERICAN COLLEGE DICTIONARY " didn't know what they were talking about, so lets look to another dictionary and see what it has to say.

The following definitions were taken from Black's Law Dictionary.

Esquire. "In English law, a title of dignity next above gentleman , and below knight."

Gentleman. "In its English origin, this term formally referred to a man of noble birth or gentle birth." Nobility. "In English law, a division of the people, comprehending dukes, marquises, earls, viscounts, and barons. These had anciently duties annexed to their respective honors. They were created by writ, i.e., by royal summons to attend the house of peers, or by letters patent, i.e., by royal grant of any dignity and degree of peerage; and they enjoy many privileges, exclusive to their senatorial capacity." I'd say esquire is definitely a "Title of Nobility" . Than again the definitions given in Black's must be wrong because justshutupandtakeit says "Esquire" is not a title of nobility in America" so therefor Black's Law Dictionary as well as THE AMERICAN COLLEGE DICTIONARY must be wrong.

Lets see if I can find any other books with the definition of "Esquire" in them.

Lets try Bouviers.

ESQUIRE.

"A title applied by courtesy to officers of almost every description, to members of the bar, and others.
In England, it is a title next above that of a gentleman, and below a knight. Camden reckons up four kinds of esquires, particularly regarded by the heralds:

1. The eldest sons of knights and their eldest sons, in perpetual succession.
2. The eldest sons of the younger sons of peers, and their eldest sons in like perpetual succession.
3. Esquires created by the king's letters patent, or other investiture, and their eldest sons.
4. Esquires by virtue of their office, as justices of the peace, and others who bear any office of trust under the crown."

NOBILITY. "An order of men in several countries to whom privileges are granted at the expense of the rest of the people.

2. The constitution of the United States provides that no state shall " grant any title of nobility; and no person can become a citizen ot' the United States until he has renounced all titles of nobility." The Federalist, No. 84; 2 Story, Laws U. S. 851."

"It refers to titles of nobility or offices from a foreign country."

Every definition of "esquire" states its an "English" term. I believe England is a foreign country to ours, but I guess (according to you) I'd be wrong in that statement as well. I gotta say the word "esquire" really truly looks like a title of nobility to me.

[Mikey]

The Federalist No. 84

Certain General and Miscellaneous Objections to the Constitution Considered and Answered

Independent Journal

Wednesday, July 16, Saturday, July 26, Saturday, August 9, 1788

[Alexander Hamilton]

"It may well be a question, whether these are not, upon the whole, of equal importance with any which are to be found in the constitution of this State. The establishment of the writ of habeas corpus, the prohibition of ex post facto laws, and of TITLES OF NOBILITY, to which we have no corresponding provision in our Constitution, are perhaps greater securities to liberty and republicanism than any it contains. The creation of crimes after the commission of the fact, or, in other words, the subjecting of men to punishment for things which, when they were done, were breaches of no law, and the practice of arbitrary imprisonments, have been, in all ages, the favorite and most formidable instruments of tyranny. The observations of the judicious Blackstone,1 in reference to the latter, are well worthy of recital: "To bereave a man of life, [says he] or by violence to confiscate his estate, without accusation or trial, would be so gross and notorious an act of despotism, as must at once convey the alarm of tyranny throughout the whole nation; but confinement of the person, by secretly hurrying him to jail, where his sufferings are unknown or forgotten, is a less public, a less striking, and therefore a more dangerous engine of arbitrary government." And as a remedy for this fatal evil he is everywhere peculiarly emphatical in his encomiums on the habeas corpus act, which in one place he calls "the BULWARK of the British Constitution."2

Nothing need be said to illustrate the importance of the prohibition of titles of nobility. This may truly be denominated the corner-stone of republican government; for so long as they are excluded, there can never be serious danger that the government will be any other than that of the people."

Now we're a government of the lawyers, by the lawyers and for the lawyers. That's why they keep referring to it as "our democracy"

[justshutupandtakeit]

Are you completely lame?

Alexander Hamilton was the greatest LAWYER this country has ever known. Do you think posting a fragment of his voluminous writings proves something? Or that HE would be claiming that Lawyers such as HIMSELF and the 40 or so lawyers at the Constitutional Convention should not be allowed to serve his government.

Titles of nobility were already prevented in the constitution which is precisely why a redundent amendment was an absurdity.

We were always a republic of lawyers what history have you seen to indicate otherwise? Integrity is what the RATS have destroyed that is what must be restored. Lawyers with integrity like Alexander Hamilton are some of the people who have made this country great.

As more rights are demanded by the People more laws are passed and more lawyers required to interprete these laws.

[justshutupandtakeit]

In ENGLISH law NOT in AMERICAN law. If someone calls you "Sir" are you a noble? Hilarious!!!

Do you think an Esquire is BORN in America? A lawyer's son is an Esquire? LoL.

Stop wasting people's time with this crap.

[John Lenin]

If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law.
Sir Winston Churchill

[Brian Allen]

<< If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law -- Winston Churchill >>

Just goes to show.

Even Winston Churchill's old clocks were Right at least twice a day.

[Legislation by bureaucratic regulation is tyranny by any other name!]

<]:^)~<

B A

[Mikey]

"Are you completely lame? "
"Amid this collection of paranoid crap..."
"You thought it was referring to guidance counsellors perhaps. "
"crackpot links"

I see instead of having a rational discussion and producing documentation to back up your claims, you resort to name calling and other degrading remarks. You sound like your either a lawyer and/or judge and/or politician.

I'll not waste any more time with you.

"And He said, "Woe unto you also ye lawyers, for ye lade men with burdens to grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burden with one of your fingers."

Luke 11:46 (King James)

"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

Luke 11:52 (King James)

[justshutupandtakeit]

You haven't been having a rational discussion, merely posting huge irrelevent, false and misleading quotations does not qualify. What small part of those quotes which is rational proves that your points are incorrect. You don't even comprehend what you post. Most likely merely regurgitating stuff from nutball links without real comprehension. Nor do you comprehend what I have written ignoring it doesn't work.

Truth sometimes hurts and most of the crap you posted is not historically accurate and is indeed paranoid. "There is a gigantic conspiracy to deny the People its wonderful 13th amendment. A conspiracy by the BRITISH TO RE-ENSLAVE US."

"Esquire" has NO implication of Nobility at all in the US. Never did, never will. I have no patience for silliness, spreaders of falsehoods or conspiracy nuts. Too bad if you don't like it.

[Mikey]

I feel sorry for you. You close your eyes and refuse to see. You close your ears and refuse to hear. You close your mouth and refuse to speak the truth.

One day (hopefully) you'll learn the truth and the truth will make you free.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I am free and I know more history and truth than you ever will. If your view of history is as indicated by the paranoid crap you post then you have not a single clue.

If there was an iota of truth within all your posts it was sheer accident.

[Mikey]

"I am free."

You may have freedom, but do you have liberty? Take this simple test and see if you really have liberty

Slavery test

Answer these simple questions, circle the ones that apply to you:

1). I get to keep all of my income. My income belongs to me first. No one has a right to a pre-determined amount, skimmed off the top

2). I get to keep only 25%,50%, 75% of my income. The government skims of the top what they want first. I have no say in the matter.

3). My time and labor is mine, it is my most sacred commodity.

4). My time and labor belongs to the government.

5). I do not owe the government anything. I choose the programs I wish to support.

6). I owe the government what ever they tell me. I have no choice in where my money is spent.

7). I own my property. No one has a right to it but me and my family.

8). I merely lease my property from the government. If I don't pay the taxes forced upon me, they have a right to take whatever they want.

9). Liberty is my natural right. It cannot be bought. It is up to me to defend it

10). I owe the government for my liberties. I gladly pay whatever they want to keep the liberties they grant me.

11). I have a right to work without using a social security number.

12). I cannot work without a social security number.

13). I am a hard working, honest, law abiding citizen and I fear no government agency.

14). I am a hard working, honest, law abiding citizen, but I fear the IRS. They have the power to take whatever they want, whenever they want. If I don't cooperate, I can go to jail.
A). I also fear the BATF, DOJ, DOE, etc.

15). The government has no right to know how much I make, and where it is spent.

16). The government knows everything about me. It knows where each penny I make comes from and where I spend it.

17). I can travel by whatever means available to me and I don't need government permission to do so.

18). I do not have the right to travel without governmental permission. I must pay for a “driver's license” and get the governments permission first.

19). My personal conveyance (automobile, motorcycle, etc.) is mine, it belongs to no other.

20). My personal conveyance is not mine at all since I'm forced to register it with the state. I'm issued a “CERTIFICATE OF TITLE” instead of a true title. I'm forced to purchase insurance and I'm forced to have it inspected each year. If I don't comply with all of these (and with #18 I'll be arrested and jailed)

TITLE 18 USC SEC 31 DEFINITIONS;
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/31.html

“Motor Vehicle means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo.

“Used for commercial purposes means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit.”

"...and I know more history and truth than you ever will."

You certainly presume a lot don't you. I've always told my nephews to go beyond the schooling. If the school teaches you that 1+1=2, don't stop there, find out why 1+1=2. You (it seems) do not go beyond what your told. It would seem that you accept everything your told as the gospel truth.

When I first started hearing all this and that within the Patriot movement, I was a real skeptic. I figured (like you) these people were full of sh*t, but instead of shaking my head back and forth and degrading these people I set out to prove them wrong and the more I dug into it the more I found they were correct. That was 12 years ago. I still have books I've obtained years ago from here and there. I have 3 copies from a 6 copy set from the FEDERAL RESERVE dated 1919 that clearly states that FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES are not to be used with the general public, but are to be used solely as an inter banking note.

Now I'm not stupid I know there are some that'll try to get one to send them currency and will try to rip one off (just like a lot of shyster lawyers). I do research. I've spent many hours at the law library years ago with an old typewriter (before I got a computer). Now I can go to sites such as Harvard law school, the IRS, USC, Cornell, etc.

"If your view of history is as indicated by the paranoid crap you post then you have not a single clue."

It is you sir that hasn't a clue and you (and unfortunately some other ignorant and apathetic Americans) don't want to know. Its easier to complain than to act.

"The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self administered by its victims."

--Dresden James

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget ye were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams

"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever."

John Adams

"The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave."

Patrick Henry

"Liberty means responsibility. That's why most men dread it."

--George Bernard Shaw

"If there was an iota of truth within all your posts it was sheer accident.

Again, instead of having a discussion, you use degrading remarks.
I used to get angry (and saddened for people like yourself) at remarks like the one above from other ignorant and apathetic people, now I'm just amused.

[Mikey]

Cornell

Forgot to make a like for under;

TITLE 18 USC SEC 31
DEFINITIONS;

[justshutupandtakeit]

Continue to wallow in your ignorance. There is no way to have a rational discussion with a member of the Sky-Is-Falling brigade since for every true word I say you post ten irrelevencies. Now you are talking about motor vehicles. Who knows what could be expected next from someone who believes a Lawyer is a Noble. Could anything be funnier than that?

When you are ready to come out from under the bed you will find a wonderful world filled with sunshine and have the chance to live in the most wonderful country God has ever created. Too bad you hate it so and prefer to live in the darkness of paranoia and dementia nursing delusions and spreading stupidity at every chance.

Esquire -a title of nobility. Hilarious, ridiculous, screamingly funny, a joke, LoL ROTFLMAO.

Oooooh, and you write emails as nasty as your posts are moronic.

[Mikey]

You sound like a typical liar Lawyer. I'll not waste any more time with you. You just simply don't (or ever will) get it.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I know the reality of the history you post lies about. Not only do I get it but I also understand you don't have a clue and can't argue any of your points competently believing posting reams of more distortions, disinformation and falsehoods passes for an argument.

Did you graduate from high school? Lawyers = Nobles ....Hilariously uproarously unbelieveably mindstaggeringly stupidity.