[Torie]

Ok, I am not first, second, third or fourth, and whatever, but the thrust here was that Barnes was being pollyanish. I think we have a reasonable shot, assuming a massive number of civilians are not shot. And that means if we want to win the peace, that we might have to endue a lot of delay and frustration.

[Sabertooth]

I think we have a reasonable shot, assuming a massive number of civilians are not shot.

I'm all for the experiment, though I think I'm more pessimistic than you are.

However, if we're going to rebuild Iraq in our image as we did Japan and Germany, we're going to need to wreak the same type of devastation upon them. Not their civilians, but among their military and their butchers. Fortunately, the weapons we have now make that possible.