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Pro-Saddam nations brace for payback
The New Zealand Herald ^ | March 17 2003 | CATHERINE FIELD

Posted on 03/17/2003 10:42:30 AM PST by knighthawk

PARIS - France and its ally Germany will start to count the cost of their successful campaign to deny Britain, the United States and Spain the United Nations seal of approval for war on Iraq.

They face being sidelined from decisions that will reshape the Middle East and having their own ambitions for Europe damaged.

A summit in the mid-Atlantic Portuguese islands of the Azores, featuring President George W. Bush of the US, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Spanish Premier Jose Maria Aznar takes place today to confer on the Iraqi crisis.

But it is less a confab than a council of war, the location of which has clearly been chosen to give support for Bush's European friends and to show that the dissenters are no longer part of the inner circle of power.

At best, the pro-war camp will come up with proposals for a little more time, backed by a revamped UN resolution, for Iraq to show it is serious about disarming.

But that seems unlikely. On the eve of the summit, France, Germany and Russia asked for a new UN Security Council meeting tomorrow at foreign ministers' level, apparently to prevent the slide to war.

But they said again that they would continue to oppose any timetable for conflict.

The alternative is that the three pro-war countries will cut their losses and declare that the UN path has led nowhere - which can only be a countdown to the first airstrike.

Either outcome is a clear diplomatic victory for President Jacques Chirac of France and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in their effort to combat US unilateralism and uphold the UN as the source of international legitimacy.

Nor, in contrast to what the American media are saying, are they acting fancifully or out of spite.

They reflect a clear majority of European opinion, which has hardened in the past month as the White House hawks try to denigrate their opposition and warn darkly of reprisals.

Now, though, comes the reckoning for their bold strategy.

The first signs will emerge this week, in Nato - the bridge between the US and Europe - and in the European Union.

"We have no illusions. We are in an extremely difficulty international and domestic situation," said a spokesman for Romano Prodi, president of the European Commission. "We hope our leaders understand the gravity of the situation and the implications for the EU."

But Chirac, just as much as Blair and Bush, has left himself very little room for manoeuvre.

Yesterday from Tokyo to Beirut, Paris to Washington, hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets in what many saw as a last-ditch global protest against any war.

Protests ranged from the release of pigeons into the skies over Bangkok as symbols of peace to the burning of effigies of President Bush in Kolkata and the Gaza Strip.

Tens of thousands of people from more than 100 US cities surrounded the White House to voice their opposition to war.

The numbers appeared lower than in a similar worldwide protest on February 15, when the number of demonstrators was put at upward of 4 million and perhaps as high as 10 million.

The controversy over Iraq will bring a dark, poisonous mood to the annual EU spring summit in Brussels on Thursday and Friday where Blair, Chirac, Aznar and Schroeder will gather around the table.

There could be the first row over whether the EU will pay towards reconstructing Iraq after the war.

The EU's external affairs commissioner, Chris Patten, has warned that without a UN mandate for war, Europe would be unlikely to stump up for this, a position likely to infuriate Britain and Spain.

Then there is the question of institutional reform so that the EU can face the "big bang" next year, when its numbers expand from 15 countries to 25.

The proposals, driven by France and Germany, seek to streamline decision-making by reducing a country's right of veto in the Council of Ministers and in naming an EU president.

Blair, after his humiliation by Chirac, can be expected to squash French federalist thinking along these lines and to find support among eastern European candidate countries who resent the French President for giving them a tongue-lashing last month for supporting Washington.

Such is the frost between Blair and Chirac that Downing St last week accused France of "poisoning" the diplomatic bloodstream with its intransigence.

To make matters worse, the British Prime Minister's office has revealed that Blair has not accepted a crate of cognac given to him last month by Chirac after their meeting.

This resentment will be translated at the negotiation table into demands for national sovereignty to be paramount in the reformed EU.

That would cripple the hope of the unifiers who want the EU to speak with a strong, single voice that would make it equal to the US on the world stage.

The situation in Nato is even more dire, for the US is outraged by the refusal of France, Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg to back military assistance for Turkey.

Washington has warned of cutting back its troop numbers in Germany, the first sign that it will ignore Nato in its strategic thinking and instead assemble "coalitions of the willing" for dealing with crises.

If that is the case, Nato will not have much of a future as a credible organisation.

Charles Powell, former foreign policy advisory to ex-British Premier Margaret Thatcher, says the row is "as bad as we have seen".

"But when it is all over and Iraq has been dealt with, France and Germany are still there, Britain is still there, America is still there and they have to get on together again.

"So the prime task will be to repair it. The question will be how."

- additional reporting Reuters


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiwar; france; germany; payback; paybacktime; prosaddam

1 posted on 03/17/2003 10:42:31 AM PST by knighthawk
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2 posted on 03/17/2003 10:43:25 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
You have a great homepage, knighthawk. Thanks.
3 posted on 03/17/2003 10:46:12 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Curtis Loew was the finest picker who ever played the Blues)
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To: CholeraJoe
I am tired of all this tripe, BS, or whatever the hell you want to call it! Rebuilding Iraq is going to cost pennies on the dollar, American contractors are going to make out big time. Iraq oils wells will fund it! We start to pour oil out by the millions of barrels and gas prices will fall, our economy will start booming again. And we get to get rid of a terror threat too!
4 posted on 03/17/2003 10:55:48 AM PST by BushCountry
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To: knighthawk; CholeraJoe
Knighthawk,

Great homepage...I work in a country where most of the anti-American feelings are from expatriate Americans. I would gladly trade all of them for one of you.

Best wishes
5 posted on 03/17/2003 10:56:45 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: knighthawk
"Either outcome is a clear diplomatic victory for President Jacques Chirac of France and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in their effort to combat US unilateralism and uphold the UN as the source of international legitimacy. Nor, in contrast to what the American media are saying, are they acting fancifully or out of spite.

Well, I guess we'll see how much of a victory this is for Jock-strap. When WMDs are found, the populus will see we weren't kidding. When French invoices are found it may not look so rosy. When their economy bankrupts because of cancelled Iraqi contracts, it will start to stink. When France loses any standing in NATO and is deemed unsuitable to lead the EU, there'll be another French revolution.

Doesn't sound like 'victory'. We know our Texas Cowboy of a President has a good and long memory and I hope he makes the bastards pay.

6 posted on 03/17/2003 11:00:12 AM PST by chiller (could be wrong, but doubt it)
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To: knighthawk
Regime change in Paris, Berlin and Bruxelles.
7 posted on 03/17/2003 11:09:51 AM PST by ijcr
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To: ijcr
Regime change in Paris, Berlin and Bruxelles.

Thats the most likely scenario, IMO. Chirac and Shroeder have more internal discontent against them than is reported, and this will be obviously exacerbated if the Iraq War goes "well". New governments in both places within a year, is my prediction.

8 posted on 03/17/2003 11:42:13 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: chiller
When WMDs are found, the populus will see we weren't kidding. When French invoices are found it may not look so rosy.

I agree with most of what you said, but the evidence of WMDs has already been found, and extensively documented in Powell's presentation to the UN.

There is none so blind as he who will not see, and there are a whole lot of willfully blind people around. More data, not doubt 'manufactured' by lying Americans, won't convince that many more people.

However, if we use Iraqi oil to pay for Iraqi rebuilding - as seems reasonable - and have an influence on who gets the contracts, as seems reasonable (after all, we wouldn't want the money going to Al Qaida front organizations) - then the French, Germans, and Russians are still going to lose a lot of money both from Saddam's debts that go unpaid and from lost new business.

In the end, all the proof in the world won't matter. But the cash will speak with a very loud voice.
9 posted on 03/17/2003 12:45:24 PM PST by Gorjus
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To: chiller
"Either outcome is a clear diplomatic victory for President Jacques Chirac of France and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in their effort to combat US unilateralism and uphold the UN as the source of international legitimacy.

Actually, they made the UN irrelevant as policymaking body, probably doomed NATO, may have fatally wounded the EU, made 300 million Americans hate their guts, and made themselves persona non grata at the Crawford ranch.

Oh, and they failed to stop the war.

I guess that's how Reuters defines victory.

10 posted on 03/17/2003 12:52:11 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: knighthawk
To make matters worse, the British Prime Minister's office has revealed that Blair has not accepted a crate of cognac given to him last month by Chirac after their meeting.

This resentment will be translated at the negotiation table into demands for national sovereignty to be paramount in the reformed EU.

That would cripple the hope of the unifiers who want the EU to speak with a strong, single voice that would make it equal to the US on the world stage.

The situation in Nato is even more dire, for the US is outraged by the refusal of France, Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg to back military assistance for Turkey.

Washington has warned of cutting back its troop numbers in Germany, the first sign that it will ignore Nato in its strategic thinking and instead assemble "coalitions of the willing" for dealing with crises.

If that is the case, Nato will not have much of a future as a credible organisation.

Here is the heart of the hatred directed at America for remaining independant of these "One Worlder" fanatics.

The utter hopelessness of trying to mix globalist dreams with the intrinsic nationalism built into the genes of every decent nation has now been dragged into the glare of the international spotlight.

France and Germany--severely afflicted with politicians infected by the globalist venom--have grassroots populations who have been among the most powerfully nationalist people over the previous two centuries.

This conflict between globalist vs nationalists expectations has created bitter internal struggles in the politics of France and Germany. The success of America in Iraq will prove the power and independance of nationalism--one great nation among other individual nations of the world.

America's example today may well deal a death-blow to the "One World" EU dreams of Chirac and Schroeder--dreams that are based on and require the willingness of America to give up big chunks of her sovereignty and her wealth in order to be allowed to live under the blue flags of the UN and NATO.

Those European dreams of One Worlders like Schroeder and Chirac that America would become complicit in her own suicide as a nation are about to be shattered.

11 posted on 03/17/2003 12:57:13 PM PST by henbane
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To: knighthawk
It will not be repaired and we should not allow it to be repaired.
12 posted on 03/17/2003 1:00:48 PM PST by cynicom
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To: cynicom
"Jimmy is advocating that America disarm. Apparently, he does not realize that the nation already had a program of disarmament. It was called The Clinton Administration. It is the measure of Carter’s gullibility that Satan means well. We can humor him about that. He also naively believes that things like treason and pregnancy are always unintentional. This was after innumerable state dinners at which he thought he heard Clinton raise his glass and offer the toast, ”Ladies and Gentlemen, here’s wishing ... aid and comfort (( link )) --- to the enemy.”
13 posted on 03/17/2003 1:37:53 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: CholeraJoe; Cuttnhorse
Thanks!
14 posted on 03/17/2003 3:18:27 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: henbane
Those European dreams of One Worlders like Schroeder and Chirac that America would become complicit in her own suicide as a nation are about to be shattered.

Good analysis, and you have hit upon the reason Donald Rumsfeld's remarks about "Old Europe" vs the "New Europe" caused such an uproar with the French and the Germans. That thinking is exactly counter to their plans for power sharing in their leadership of the new "One World."

15 posted on 03/17/2003 4:19:01 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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