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Base Yes, Bombs No : Do Vieques Protesters Want It Both Ways?
ABCNEWS ^ | March 14, 2003 | John Stossel

Posted on 03/14/2003 11:59:26 AM PST by ZGuy

For 60 years, American troops have trained on Vieques Island off Puerto Rico. The government bought most of the island because it considered it a perfect place to train sailors and pilots. It's surrounded by ocean, but far from shipping lanes.

Then four years ago, a pilot made a tragic mistake. He dropped two bombs in the wrong place and killed David Sanes, a security guard. Immediately, activists started leading protests against the Navy bombing. They pulled down fences and invaded the property, saying the Navy must leave Vieques.

The activists claimed the bombing caused cancer and polluted the island.

Famous people joined the protests. Al Sharpton went through the fence. So did Robert Kennedy Jr. and actor Edward James Olmos.

Lots of politicians from New York, which has a large Puerto Rican population, got involved too, including Gov. George Pataki, Rep. Charles Rangel, Rep. Jose Serrano, and Sen. Hillary Clinton.

Back in 2000, President Clinton decided the Navy would stop the training in Vieques. "We have not always been good neighbors on Vieques," said Clinton.

President Bush supported that decision.

"These are our friends and neighbors and they don't want us there," Bush said.

Now the military practices its bombing — like this week's test of what they called the "mother of all bombs" — off the coast of Florida.

So what does that mean for the Navy's huge, expensive training base on the mainland of Puerto Rico, 10 miles away from Vieques? It has been home to thousands of troops who had helped support the training-fueling ships and providing shore leave for the sailors.

Close it, says Adm. Robert Natter, because the Navy doesn't need it anymore.

Natter commands the Navy's Atlantic Fleet — 100,000 sailors and Marines now preparing to fight in Iraq.

"My responsibility is to train young sailors and Marines to go into combat. I've got to do that with the money that the taxpayers provide for me. If I can't do that training in Puerto Rico, I quite frankly don't need the facilities there," Natter says.

Local Economy Takes a Hit

That came as a shock to people who live around the base. The base contributes $300 million a year to the local economy.

So now the politicians are upset again.

It's as if some of the protesters want bombs to stop falling from the sky, but they want money to keep falling.

Most of the celebrities and politicians didn't want to be interviewed about that. But Serrano agreed to talk.

Serrano says the protest was only about Vieques, not about the base in Puerto Rico. He says the Navy wants to close that base just to punish the protesters. "They say, we'll fix you. We're getting out. And we're taking everything," Serrano said.

I suggested that funding a bombing support base without bombing was a waste of taxpayer money.

Serrano said, "One could argue that half of the military budget has been a waste of money for a long time."

He says the military shouldn't have any say in closing the base.

"The military doesn't speak in this country. The military keeps quiet," he said, adding, "Let Congress decide if it wants to close that base.

He doesn't thing that will happen. With the presidential election coming up and everyone courting Latino votes, he says the Navy will stay put.

"When the president realizes that it's getting close to 2004, and this becomes another Latino political issue again, he's gonna tell them, you don't have to go. And they won't go," Serrano said.

He may be right. With votes at stake, politicians may spend millions on a base the Navy doesn't even want.

Give me a break!


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1 posted on 03/14/2003 11:59:26 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy
No wonder Democrats are for gun control - they keep shooting themselves.
2 posted on 03/14/2003 12:02:42 PM PST by JmyBryan
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To: ZGuy; dighton; aculeus; general_re; L,TOWM; Poohbah
Fine ... don't close the base. Just withdraw all personnel except for housekeeping requirements, close the BX, close the commissary if there is one, make service there a one-year unaccompanied "hardship" tour without dependents for housekeeping personnel (thus, dependent housing would be cleared) and don't rotate any military assets (ships, planes, units) through the base.

It would be, for all intents and purposes, dead ... a zombie base.

3 posted on 03/14/2003 12:05:23 PM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: ZGuy
Serrano said, "One could argue that half of the military budget has been a waste of money for a long time." He says the military shouldn't have any say in closing the base

Don't you just love the way the democrat mind works. Let's keep the base for votes but screw the military, they have no say. Unfortunately too much of the military budget is spent with this attitude, "keep the pork coming"

4 posted on 03/14/2003 12:06:45 PM PST by Mister Baredog ((God Bless GW Bush))
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To: ZGuy
BYE, BYE, Rosey Roads.
Attn. next country or even a state that wants to stop military action at a MILITARY BASE. Stop and add up the dollars the base contributes to your local econ BEFORE STARTING PROTESTS.
5 posted on 03/14/2003 12:07:36 PM PST by YOMO
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To: ZGuy
to Puerto Rico: "These are our friends and neighbors and they don't want us there," Bush said.

to South Korea: "These are our friends and neighbors and they don't want us there," Bush said.

to Germany: "These are our friends and neighbors and they don't want us there," Bush said.

to France: "These are our friends and neighbors and they don't want us there," Bush said.

And anti-America protesters keep talking about The American Imperialism.....

6 posted on 03/14/2003 12:08:11 PM PST by rface (Ashland, Missouri)
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To: BlueLancer; ZGuy; aculeus; general_re; Poohbah
Then four years ago, a pilot made a tragic mistake. He dropped two bombs in the wrong place and killed David Sanes, a security guard. Immediately, activists started leading protests against the Navy bombing.

I seem to recall that they were protesting long before that. Anyone?

7 posted on 03/14/2003 12:08:25 PM PST by dighton
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To: ZGuy
Serrano said, "One could argue that half of the military budget has been a waste of money for a long time."

One could also argue that Puerto Rico has been a waste of taxpayer money for a long time.

8 posted on 03/14/2003 12:09:55 PM PST by wideawake (You'd better look out for me - I'm a member of the F.V.K.)
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To: ZGuy
Close it for training purposes. Redevelop it as an unsupervised 'summer camp' for disadvantaged urban youth.
9 posted on 03/14/2003 12:10:31 PM PST by Lee Heggy ("A good traveler has no fixed plans and is not intent on arriving." Lao Tzu)
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To: ZGuy
Let's see range is useless, so base is useless. And if base is useless, territory is useless.

Solution: Get rid of the whole parasitic island. - Let the new Republic of Puerto Rico spend their pesos, and not my tax dollars, on a do-nothing base.

10 posted on 03/14/2003 12:15:27 PM PST by dagnabbit
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To: ZGuy
Sorry, Puerto Rico, all your base are belong to us.

No more billions of American tax dollars for you.

11 posted on 03/14/2003 12:18:31 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: dighton
You are correct. This has been going on for years and for different reasons. While many protests were truly anti-American and supported by the Puerto Rican pro-independence political party, the latest set of protests have a land-development angle to it. It is a nice island, with some phosphorescent waters in one of the bays. The plan was to kick the Navy out, have them pay to clean Vieques of bombs and other military debris, and then develop the island and make many dollars. I'm glad the Navy wised up.
12 posted on 03/14/2003 12:18:42 PM PST by battlecry
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hell, we've got a practice range the size of texas that we're about to open up. we don't need no steenkin vieques.

shut it down. screw em
13 posted on 03/14/2003 12:24:43 PM PST by glock rocks (kick a poodle for W. do it today)
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To: battlecry
It was decided in 2000, under Clinton, that we would no longer train there. In 2001, Hillary and a few more agitators went there. Sharpton went to jail and here we are with another Dem item in our lap.

Looks like the only thing Clinton completed (he did not have sex) was on the last day...when he passed out the pardons and disclosed his terms of guilt.

14 posted on 03/14/2003 12:30:05 PM PST by Sacajaweau (Hillary: Constitutional Scholar! NOT)
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To: ZGuy
Serrano is a piece of work , huh? Another great American democrat.
Tough cookies, PR! No bada boom, no bada bing!
15 posted on 03/14/2003 12:32:58 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: battlecry
Thank you.
16 posted on 03/14/2003 12:33:09 PM PST by dighton
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Stossel Bump
17 posted on 03/14/2003 12:39:32 PM PST by flashbunny
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To: ZGuy
Does Puerto Rico vote in our elections?

18 posted on 03/14/2003 1:03:02 PM PST by texastoo
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To: ZGuy
Puerto Rico wanted Vieques closed so that they could build big hotels and casinos which would provide jobs (at least that's what the developers told them). Now, that they got what they wanted they are shocked to find out that they will be losing as much or more than they gained. Too bad!
19 posted on 03/14/2003 1:08:21 PM PST by Eva
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To: wideawake
Kudos.........
20 posted on 03/14/2003 1:15:35 PM PST by Bodacious
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