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US Forced To Consider 'Battle Lite' Options (Age Of Battle Tank Over?)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 3-10-2003 | Michael Smith

Posted on 03/09/2003 4:56:28 PM PST by blam

US forced to consider 'battle lite' options

By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 10/03/2003)

Turkey's refusal to allow American troops to be based on its soil has reignited a debate within the US military over the future face of war, giving the "modernisers" a chance to prove that the age of the tank is finally over.

The deployment of allied troops in northern Iraq is a crucial element of plans to topple Saddam Hussein. They will be asked to secure the northern oil fields and to engage Republican Guard units that have been deployed to protect Saddam's hometown of Tikrit and the northern approaches to Baghdad.

Gen Tommy Franks, the commander of allied forces in the region, had wanted to use the 4th Infantry Division, America's most modern fighting force, to lead the northern thrust into Iraq.

But the refusal of Turkey's parliament to sanction the transit of US troops through its territory makes it extremely difficult for the division's heavy Abrams tanks and Bradley armoured personnel carriers to get there in time.

Thee US modernisers have produced a radical alternative. They propose flying light airborne forces such as the 101st Airborne Division and Britain's 16 Air Assault Brigade in to airfields in northern Iraq.

The scheme has produced a rumpus, with pro-tank traditionalists predicting that Saddam's Republican Guard with its T-72 tanks would head for the lightly armed allied troops and destroy them.

You cannot fight tanks with light infantry, they say. It would be better to wait for the 4th Infantry Division and its M1 Abrams tanks.

The tank, the heavy and cumbersome armour-plated fighting vehicle that evolved as a means of coping with the mud and carnage of the First World War and proved its might during the great tank battles of the Second World War, is at the centre of the controversy.

Advances in weapon technology and the need to fight future wars at a growing distance from the enemy have already led the US and British armies to look for smaller, lighter armoured vehicles that could be deployed very rapidly to trouble spots around the world.

As a result, early planning for a war on Iraq was dominated by demands from senior figures within the Pentagon, led by Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, for the use of special forces and light airborne infantry backed up by helicopter gunships such as the Apache.

They argued that with most of the Iraqi army expected to surrender at the sight of allied troops, and the RAF and USAF totally dominant in the air, there was no need for the protection of heavy armour.

Tanks and the heavy armoured vehicles that fight alongside them took too long to deploy, the modernisers said. Special forces could prepare the way, as they had in Afghanistan, for more mobile light troops such as commandos and paratroopers. They were backed by senior USAF officers who argued that the Afghan war and the 1991 Gulf war were won from the air.

Both the US and British military establishments objected. "Battle lite" might have been the most effective way of fighting poorly equipped forces such as the Taliban and al-Qa'eda troops in Afghanistan, but the Republican Guard was a well trained force equipped with heavy armour.

"The Republican Guard has got a lot of heavy metal," one senior British officer said. "You can't pit light infantry against tanks."

But the new plan may not require such a confrontation. The allied airborne forces could easily be flown in to air bases in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq to secure the northern oilfields.

The Republican Guard units deployed in the north are likely to become a major target for allied air power.

If the Republican Guard remains in its positions, it is likely to be carpet-bombed into submission by US B52 Stratofortress bombers and if it tries to advance or to retreat to Baghdad it will present easy targets for US and RAF ground attack aircraft.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: battle; forced; line; options; us; warlist
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I think the M1 Abram tanks are still on the 30 ships off the coast of Turkey.
1 posted on 03/09/2003 4:56:28 PM PST by blam
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To: Badabing Badaboom
"I thought apaches could take out any tank divisions in front of them."

I'm been thinking the same thing....and Warthogs.

3 posted on 03/09/2003 5:26:14 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; *war_list; W.O.T.; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; MadIvan; PhiKapMom; ..
OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST
4 posted on 03/09/2003 5:35:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The voices of the 30s are echoing through 2003 - Alistair Cooke)
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To: Badabing Badaboom
Yes, but they still cannot be everywhere on the front and cannot occupy ground.
5 posted on 03/09/2003 5:44:41 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: blam
Written by a guy who doesnt know what he's writing about.
6 posted on 03/09/2003 5:45:22 PM PST by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
don't need large bulky tanks to occupy the ground...

Isn't this also all about that new fast moving light armored vehicle that they are nearly reading to make operational?
7 posted on 03/09/2003 5:48:28 PM PST by Keith
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To: blam
A single infintry man can do a lot of damage with a laser and half a dozen attack planes circling overhead.
8 posted on 03/09/2003 5:48:52 PM PST by NeonKnight
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To: VaBthang4
Didn't a secretary of defense get fired (i.e. Les Aspin) because he refused a request for tanks when we were in Somalia?
9 posted on 03/09/2003 6:07:54 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: blam
I bet we wait for the 4th ID...just guessing.
10 posted on 03/09/2003 6:15:20 PM PST by mystery-ak (Saddam...your time is almost up..my hubby and son are on their way to kick your a$$ out of Baghdad!)
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To: blam
Maybe the author should park himself on the southern border on Iraq near Kuwait. In a few weeks ask him if he still thinks tank warfare is obsolete...
11 posted on 03/09/2003 6:17:20 PM PST by Toskrin
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To: vbmoneyspender
Excellent point. The US leads the world in tank technology. No one else comes close. If we "unilaterally" decide that we do not need to give our troops heavy armor, then we cede to the enemy that advantage. We got 'em. Let's use 'em.
12 posted on 03/09/2003 6:32:38 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: blam
the age of the tank is finally over.

Not in our lifetime! I was in light infantry .... and the Army's "High-Tech" Division .... and very few things in the world today can beat an M-1A1 attack. As Gen Meigs said ... airpower only destoryed 2 tanks out of over 100 with six weeks of the heaviest aerial bombardment in history. Gen Meigs' armored brigade destoryed the rest of the Iraqi brigade in an afternoon.

13 posted on 03/09/2003 6:32:38 PM PST by Yasotay
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To: blam
The tank still has a role in warfare. As long as that tank has the letters 'U.S.' painted on the side.

I sure as heck would not want to be an Iraqi tanker.

14 posted on 03/09/2003 6:39:22 PM PST by LibKill (VIOLENCE! The supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.)
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To: LibKill
"I sure as heck would not want to be an Iraqi tanker."

THINGS ARE LOOKING UP FOR SADDAMS ARMORED DIVISIONS - The LAST Thing MUHAMMUD Saw!


15 posted on 03/09/2003 6:47:34 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Happy2BMe
It really, really, really bites to be him.
16 posted on 03/09/2003 6:51:26 PM PST by LibKill (VIOLENCE! The supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.)
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To: blam
"But the refusal of Turkey's parliament to sanction the transit of US troops through its territory makes it extremely difficult for the division's heavy Abrams tanks and Bradley armoured personnel carriers to get there in time."

Turkey prepares to stake claim in Iraq's oil fields - (It's the oil, stupid.)

17 posted on 03/09/2003 6:52:36 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: vbmoneyspender
I'm sure Aspen was the fall guy...but I think we all know who denied the request.

;)
18 posted on 03/09/2003 6:52:43 PM PST by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: LibKill
Pls check the link on my post #15 (really bites)

Get ready for a laff!

19 posted on 03/09/2003 6:54:15 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: blam
"I think the M1 Abram tanks are still on the 30 ships off the coast of Turkey."

The Turds are 'sposed to have 'nuther "vote" on Monday about it - but yes - many of our heavy assets are still bobbing in the water (thanks to U-Know-Who).

20 posted on 03/09/2003 6:59:12 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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