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Alistair Cooke: Peace for our time
Dr. Laura, BBC | 2/1/03 | Alistair Cooke

Posted on 03/07/2003 2:52:50 PM PST by giotto

I promised to lay off topic A - Iraq - until the Security Council makes a judgement on the inspectors' report and I shall keep that promise.

But I must tell you that throughout the past fortnight I've listened to everybody involved in or looking on to a monotonous din of words, like a tide crashing and receding on a beach - making a great noise and saying the same thing over and over.

And this ordeal triggered a nightmare - a day-mare, if you like.

Through the ceaseless tide I heard a voice, a very English voice of an old man - Prime Minister Chamberlain saying: "I believe it is peace for our time" - a sentence that prompted a huge cheer, first from a listening street crowd and then from the House of Commons and next day from every newspaper in the land.

There was a move to urge that Mr Chamberlain should receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

In Parliament there was one unfamiliar old grumbler to growl out: "I believe we have suffered a total and unmitigated defeat."

He was, in view of the general sentiment, very properly booed down.

This scene concluded in the autumn of 1938 the British prime minister's effectual signing away of most of Czechoslovakia to Hitler.

The rest of it, within months, Hitler walked in and conquered.

"Oh dear," said Mr Chamberlain, thunderstruck. "He has betrayed my trust."

During the last fortnight a simple but startling thought occurred to me - every single official, diplomat, president, prime minister involved in the Iraq debate was in 1938 a toddler, most of them unborn. So the dreadful scene I've just drawn will not have been remembered by most listeners.

Hitler had started betraying our trust not 12 years but only two years before, when he broke the First World War peace treaty by occupying the demilitarised zone of the Rhineland.

Only half his troops carried one reload of ammunition because Hitler knew that French morale was too low to confront any war just then and 10 million of 11 million British voters had signed a so-called peace ballot.

It stated no conditions, elaborated no terms, it simply counted the numbers of Britons who were "for peace".

The slogan of this movement was "Against war and fascism" - chanted at the time by every Labour man and Liberal and many moderate Conservatives - a slogan that now sounds as imbecilic as "against hospitals and disease".

In blunter words a majority of Britons would do anything, absolutely anything, to get rid of Hitler except fight him.

At that time the word pre-emptive had not been invented, though today it's a catchword.

After all the Rhineland was what it said it was - part of Germany. So to march in and throw Hitler out would have been pre-emptive - wouldn't it?

Nobody did anything and Hitler looked forward with confidence to gobbling up the rest of Western Europe country by country - "course by course", as growler Churchill put it.

I bring up Munich and the mid-30s because I was fully grown, on the verge of 30, and knew we were indeed living in the age of anxiety.

And so many of the arguments mounted against each other today, in the last fortnight, are exactly what we heard in the House of Commons debates and read in the French press.

The French especially urged, after every Hitler invasion, "negotiation, negotiation".

They negotiated so successfully as to have their whole country defeated and occupied.

But as one famous French leftist said: "We did anyway manage to make them declare Paris an open city - no bombs on us!"

In Britain the general response to every Hitler advance was disarmament and collective security.

Collective security meant to leave every crisis to the League of Nations. It would put down aggressors, even though, like the United Nations, it had no army, navy or air force.

The League of Nations had its chance to prove itself when Mussolini invaded and conquered Ethiopia (Abyssinia).

The League didn't have any shot to fire. But still the cry was chanted in the House of Commons - the League and collective security is the only true guarantee of peace.

But after the Rhineland the maverick Churchill decided there was no collectivity in collective security and started a highly unpopular campaign for rearmament by Britain, warning against the general belief that Hitler had already built an enormous mechanised army and superior air force.

But he's not used them, he's not used them - people protested.

Still for two years before the outbreak of the Second War you could read the debates in the House of Commons and now shiver at the famous Labour men - Major Attlee was one of them - who voted against rearmament and still went on pointing to the League of Nations as the saviour.

Now, this memory of mine may be totally irrelevant to the present crisis. It haunts me.

I have to say I have written elsewhere with much conviction that most historical analogies are false because, however strikingly similar a new situation may be to an old one, there's usually one element that is different and it turns out to be the crucial one.

It may well be so here. All I know is that all the voices of the 30s are echoing through 2003.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; warlist
Dr. Laura (Schlesinger) read this today at the beginning of her radio program. Judging from some of her callers, she has a large listenership among liberals, most of whom seem to be searching for the moral guidance they never received growing up.
1 posted on 03/07/2003 2:52:50 PM PST by giotto
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To: giotto
First posted here.
2 posted on 03/07/2003 3:01:21 PM PST by RonF
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To: giotto
Alistair Cooke endured but will not today accept the treachery of the peaceniks."'Peace for our time'" can not exist with suicidal infidels to their own faith individuals who despise America.

GWB asked ,"What are the lessons of 9/11?

What are the lessons,more names of those who perished?

Just what are the lessons ,folks, or do we learn the lessons the hard way?

3 posted on 03/07/2003 3:04:50 PM PST by prognostigaator
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To: RonF
First posted here.

I know--that's where I found the text. But you will notice that he rambles on about two other topics besides appeasement. The part I posted was the segment that Dr. Laura read on her program, which is why I cited her as one of the sources.

4 posted on 03/07/2003 3:07:25 PM PST by giotto
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To: Pokey78; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Your ping lists might come in handy for an excellent piece.
5 posted on 03/07/2003 3:09:14 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: giotto
I sure wish we coul have a thread that collects all the stupid things that have been said by Leftists over the years. The other day there were some great ones regarding Stalin.
6 posted on 03/07/2003 3:09:28 PM PST by js1138
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To: prognostigaator
What are the lessons,more names of those who perished?

And why is the horror hidden from us, as if we are too weak to see it?

7 posted on 03/07/2003 3:09:46 PM PST by IncPen
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To: giotto
Bump!
8 posted on 03/07/2003 3:12:51 PM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: giotto
Alistair Cooke is a treasure.

"Letter from America" connects me to history in a personal way that is unique.

The BBC, of course, is embarrassed of him. Years -- decades? -- ago, they sent a young whippersnapper to New York who was supposed to break the news to Cooke that he was being let go. (A fossil, a relic of a bygone age, there was no place for him anymore in the modern, enlightened media.)

Upon arrival, he was invited by Cooke to lunch in a restaurant. The BBC gent was so awed by Cooke's magisterial presence, he could not bring himself to say what he had come for.

This week, Alistair Cooke will again be settling down to his accustomed place in a small recording studio. Maintaining eye contact with his producer all the time -- he insists on having a "live audience", which ensures the colloquial, humane tone of his Letters -- he will again deliver his talk in one take.

It will be Letter No. 2649... and counting.

Thank you, Mr. Cooke.
9 posted on 03/07/2003 3:16:41 PM PST by tictoc
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To: giotto
bump
10 posted on 03/07/2003 3:20:18 PM PST by wimpycat (Mr. President, we must not allow a mine-shaft gap!)
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To: giotto
I heard the audio of this on Hugh Hewitts radio program. It's even more impressive to hear Cooke say this.
11 posted on 03/07/2003 3:22:16 PM PST by narby (Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordian)
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To: giotto
There is a great book on this subject entitled "Munich - The Price of Peace" by Telford Taylor, Chief U.S. Prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials. You have to enjoy reading history though because it is 1004 pages in length. Published by Vintage Books.
12 posted on 03/07/2003 3:23:18 PM PST by Edmund Burke
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13 posted on 03/08/2003 9:07:23 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The voices of the 30s are echoing through 2003)
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To: prognostigaator

14 posted on 03/08/2003 9:12:06 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: narby
exactly. I always listen to Al on an ancient shortwave via the real BBC aimed to antigua, it comes in here fine. He has a great voice.
15 posted on 03/08/2003 9:18:33 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Edmund Burke
There is a great book on this subject entitled "Munich - The Price of Peace" by Telford Taylor, Chief U.S. Prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials. You have to enjoy reading history though because it is 1004 pages in length. Published by Vintage Books.

Thank you. I looked it up on Amazon.com and, although it is out of print, there are plenty of used copies available. I hope to read it.

16 posted on 03/09/2003 9:23:00 AM PST by giotto
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To: RonF
Why do people always have to point out that they posted it first? I missed it when you posted a month ago & it is excellent. There are so many good articles posted on FR & it is impossible to catch them all. I am not meaning to jump on you but its OK if things are posted more than once.
17 posted on 03/09/2003 11:07:00 AM PST by Ditter
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