This Europe: Old rivalries keep Europe divided on history's heroes

Independent.co.uk ^ | 3/6/2003 | John Lichfield

[Utah Girl]

The greatest Europeans of history are Winston Churchill, Leonardo da Vinci and, er, Joschka Fischer.

A survey of European public opinion – or rather a survey of whether there is a European public opinion – has produced a fascinating, but somewhat muddled, result.

That Mr Fischer, the German Foreign Minister, topped the "open" category, closely followed by Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, was a tribute to the disciplined voting of Germans for their own politicians.

Against the stereotype, the British most often chose figures from other European countries: President Jacques Chirac and the Emperor Napoleon each got 3 per cent of the British vote. The French voted largely for French figures, past and present, but 3 per cent went for Winston Churchill and 1 per cent for Tony Blair.

In two other categories, suggested lists of great Europeans of modern times and ancient times, something much closer to a cross-frontier, European consensus emerged. The top three "modern" Europeans were Churchill, Marie Curie and Charles de Gaulle. The top three "ancient" Europeans were Leonard da Vinci, Christopher Columbus and Martin Luther. William Shakespeare came fifth.

The survey was organised by two French historians with the help of polling organisations in six countries, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Poland and Spain. The intention was to discover whether there was any such thing as a "European collective memory" or just a collection of national memories.

Philippe Joutard, a historian who will give a lecture on the findings today at the headquarters of Unesco in Paris, said the results were disappointing. He blamed the teaching of history and culture, which tended to start from a national, not a European, viewpoint.

"Most people went for figures from their own countries," he said. "But there is no reason why a European collective memory should not emerge in time, if you consider how little has been done to create one."

[KaiserofKrunch]

I thought our schools were bad! They couldn't come up with Dr. Ehrlich, or Louis Pasteur, or Flemming! What about Maggie Thatcher?

Joschka Fischer, yah right.

[Utah Girl]

I know. I just sat here shaking my head at who some of these people chose.

[Paleo Conservative]

In 50 years no body in Europe will know who Fischer was. Anyway Fischer isn't an Islamic name.

[KaiserofKrunch]

I'd laugh, or send LOL if your staement wasn't so sadly true. We better hope that it doesn't happen here!

[Grzegorz 246]

"The survey was organised by two French historians with the help of polling organisations in six countries, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Poland and Spain."

I have never heard about it.

"Marie Curie" - Maria Curie Sklodowska was Polish scientist - of course in France they think she was French, of course Chopin was also French. Of course Mikolaj Kopernik was German (Nikolas Copernicus or how they call him).

"he British most often chose figures from other European countries: President Jacques Chirac and the Emperor Napoleon each got 3 per cent of the British vote." !!!???

So who chose Winston Churchill !?