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To: goldstategop
The UN has performed its function acceptably on only 2 occasions. Once, when the Soviets walked out of the UN in a huff, the US was able to get its resolutions passed that created the UN mandate to defend South Korea from attack by the North. When the Soviets came back, it was too late; the US could veto any effort to undo what the US had done. Thus, the Korean conflict was a UN war.

The second time was in the first Gulf War, right after the end of the cold war. The Soviet power still had to be respected, and the process gave us a way to get what we wanted with the Soviets going along.

There was some utility to the UN during the cold war, as it gave a way for the 2 opposing sides to have some dialogue with each other and was a vehicle that might not have existed had there been only embassies. But, the UN was set up in 1945 with rules that presupposed an alliance of the large powers with good will and common interest in world peace, and allowed some input from the lesser powers in the process. The cold war ensured that it would become a debating society for the most part, except with respect to some limited areas where both sides agreed.

After the cold war ended, there was some hope that the UN could fulfill more of its original goal of policing world conflicts where the US interest was not implicated. That did not come about, and in the age of terrorism, where the main role of the UN has been to hog-tie the US and limit its power, the UN is no longer either necessary, and is in fact, detrimental to US interests, insofar as its opposition to US policies causes useful idiots to oppose the war on terror at home and in allies.

The UN should be kept as a debating society, but the US should never again submit an issue with national security implications to the security council. New organizations, formed only with like-minded democracies, should be created over the next few year, which will be charged with the fight against terror and rogue states, and perhaps later, with taking care of horrible dictators who don't directly threaten us, like Mugabe.

11 posted on 03/05/2003 1:06:53 PM PST by Defiant (Guarding San Diego from terrorist attack as a human shield.)
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To: Defiant
The second time was in the first Gulf War, right after the end of the cold war. The Soviet power still had to be respected, and the process gave us a way to get what we wanted with the Soviets going along.

My take on the author's logic is that the UN restriction placed on the Gulf War resolution created the situation we are in today and we would have been better off ignoring the UN in 1991.

14 posted on 03/05/2003 1:33:20 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: Defiant
The UN should be kept as a debating society, but the US should never again submit an issue with national security implications to the security council.

I disagree that it should even be kept. As long as it exists in any form, it will try to exert its worthless will on the world and stick its nose where it doesn't belong. It's useless IMO on every level, as is any organization that attempts to equate the voice of entities whose goals and means are not remotely equal or compatiable and can never hope to be. The thought that the United States, on a matter of national security for 250,000,000 people, should be running around begging for votes from Angola and Cameroon, sums up the ludicrous nature of the organization. The world is not a democracy and it's never going to be.

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15 posted on 03/05/2003 1:39:54 PM PST by MississippiMan
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