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Flap over war criticism in schools ends swiftly (Maine School Scandal Overhyped? Or Is Paper Lying?)
Portland Press Herald ^ | March 4, 2003 | Tess Nacelewicz

Posted on 03/04/2003 11:27:05 AM PST by Dont Mention the War

Tuesday, March 4, 2003

Flap over war criticism in schools ends swiftly

By TESS NACELEWICZ, Portland Press Herald Writer

Hank Ogilby has been teaching government at Freeport High School for about nine years, but he's never told his students what political party he belongs to or whom he votes for.

Sharing that information, he said, might create a bias in the way they think about him, either positively or negatively.

"I usually don't share my opinion unless I'm asked, and if a student asks, I still may not share my opinion," Ogilby said. "I think it can compromise the learning environment."

A few days after a flap over some educators in Maine schools allegedly making inappropriate, negative comments to members of military families, the head of the Maine Army National Guard says it has been blown out of proportion. And Maine teachers say educators typically take an even-handed approach to sensitive issues in the classroom.

"We try to put as many ideas and opinions out there on the table and leave it up to them to make up their minds," Ogilby said, referring to how teachers conduct discussions with students on such controversial issues as the possible U.S. invasion of Iraq.

However, accusations surfaced last week that some Maine educators were making insensitive comments to the children of guardsmen and their parents. The story was picked up by national and international media.

Now, National Guard Maj. Gen. Joseph Tinkham is saying that national media figures, including conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh and television commentator Bill O'Reilly, exaggerated the extent and nature of the problem.

National Guard spokesman Maj. Peter Rogers said Monday that one Washington paper reported that teachers were taunting and harassing kids. "We never said that," Rogers said.

He said the complaints were only about a tiny proportion of Maine's educators. "Everyone we know has been tremendous with the kids," he said. "They're professionals. Many of them are guards themselves."

The complaints were made through National Guard family assistance centers around the state. They ranged from a claim that an assistant teacher called the looming war "unethical and immoral" in a high school classroom debate, to a parent's report that a child had been mocked by other children on a school bus and school officials said there was nothing they could do.

There's uncertainty about how many complaints were made. Last week the office of Gov. John Baldacci - who said he was "disappointed and disturbed" by the reports - said the complaints numbered 12. However, Rogers on Monday said the total is 16.

At the same time, some educators are concerned that the National Guard is releasing very little information about the complaints. Rob Walker, president of the Maine Education Association, whose 25,000 members include teachers and other school staff, said that "at this point, there are accusations out there and there is nothing specific."

Walker said the complaints could be handled as private personnel matters at the local level. "How do you solve the problem unless you can get at the whole truth?" he asked.

But Rogers said Monday that the Guard doesn't want to reopen the issue. He said there have been no more complaints since Education Commissioner J. Duke Albanese - after being informed about the National Guard's concerns - issued a memo last week to schools around the state reminding educators to use a balanced teaching approach and to be sensitive to all students.

"In our eyes the problem is solved," Rogers said. "The children aren't being subjected to that anymore."

The National Guard has not said which schools were involved or who the participants were. And it described just a handful of the 16 complaints.

Albanese on Monday said he has received no details of the complaints. He said the families and the National Guard have agreed that each family will make its own decision on whether to share details with local school officials or the state Department of Education.

Rogers said the complaints were gathered by Maj. Andrew Gibson, a Guard chaplain, at meetings where relatives of deployed soldiers get information and support. Rogers said Gibson did not investigate the complaints but "feels very strongly that they are correct."

In addition to the complaints about the classroom debate and a child being mocked on the bus, the Guard has described these three other complaints:

A soldier at the Bangor meeting said that when he took his children from school early to say goodbye, he was told it would be an unexcused absence.

Another soldier reported that when he asked a school guidance counselor to watch for changes in his child's demeanor or behavior, the counselor said, "You're in the Army, aren't you? Your child should be able to deal with it."

Another parent said that when she told the school principal that her child had been teased by other children who said her father could be killed in the war, she was told there was nothing school officials could do because the other children were right and what the child's father was doing was wrong.

However, teachers interviewed Monday said they don't know of any educators who would behave as reported. Tom Major, a history teacher at South Portland High School, said, "Frankly, I can't imagine what was suggested happened."

In fact, he said that when his sophomore world history class talked about the National Guard controversy on Monday, one student asked why teachers are always asking students for their opinions but don't share their own.

Major said that airing his own views to students "is not on my agenda. It's not about me getting out my opinions, it's about me provoking their thought."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Staff Writer Tess Nacelewicz can be contacted at 791- 6367 or at:

tnacelewicz@pressherald.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maine
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1 posted on 03/04/2003 11:27:06 AM PST by Dont Mention the War
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To: Dont Mention the War
Blaming the messenger.........what else is new! Truth is that there were inappropriate remarks made to the children of deployed parents. Such an outrage cannot be exaggerated, IMO.
2 posted on 03/04/2003 11:32:11 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: Dont Mention the War
When was the last time you saw a reporter take on
the 'teachers of America'. The teachers union would crawl out from under it's rock and tear your hide off.
3 posted on 03/04/2003 11:34:16 AM PST by Hans
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To: Dont Mention the War
teachers interviewed Monday said they don't know of any educators who would behave as reported.

Can you say "omerta"?

4 posted on 03/04/2003 12:01:31 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Dont Mention the War
You don't think that a few Maine teachers Union members were on the Human Shield bus do you? Whoa, whoa, whoa...might betaking a hit here, better back pedal fast.
5 posted on 03/04/2003 12:04:03 PM PST by Rockiesrider
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To: Dont Mention the War
On the one hand, the Guard says "it never happened... oh, well, maybe it did happen, but it was hyped too much in the papers... oh, well, maybe the severity of the misconduct wasn't hyped, but the numbers were inflated... oh, well, actually the correct numbers were used but the impression was given that it was a much bigger problem... and, anyway, they have stopped doing it, so there is no longer a problem."
< /scathing sarcasm >
This, despite the lack of formal public abject apologies from or career terminations for the offending leftist propagandistic writhing worms -er- "educators"
< /ok, now sacasm really is off >
6 posted on 03/04/2003 12:06:14 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: Hans
and say that it was all for the children...
7 posted on 03/04/2003 12:06:55 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: TEXOKIE
Looks like the state of Maine is trying their best to downgrade and bury this story. I suspect there will be more forthcoming soon. The three examples of school conduct that were given are probably just the tip of the iceberg. Bottom line, I think the dummycrats in Maine want this story gone before someone leaks names and schools as well as comes forward with more than 16 allegations. Time will tell.
8 posted on 03/04/2003 12:13:26 PM PST by wasp69 (The time has come.......)
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To: wasp69
I dunno why, but when I read your post, it looked like "Looks like the state of Mainure is trying..."
hrmn.
Wrong spelling, but seems apt nonetheless.
9 posted on 03/04/2003 12:27:31 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (Dyslexics of the world... UNTIE!)
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To: Dont Mention the War
The educators in this case got off easy with a slap on the wrist. I believe the Guard wanted to keep the controversy to a minimum ,as not to effect the morale of its military men and women.

However, Howie Carr, talk/news host in Boston ran an open phone the same time the media was picking up the story. Teachers and students from Maine, N.H. and Mass. called in and agreed this was happening in their schools to all students. One teacher with conservative opinions stated he found it better to keep quiet in the lounge, as he was in the minority. One second grade class in Maine was asked to make "what is the results of a war" posters and all had NO WAR! written on them..with dead fathers, mothers, children and animals. That caller was a teacher's aid.

The discussion led to more than just anti-war sentiment, but environment issues as well. One educator noted a fellow history teacher giving a lecture on the Monarch butterfly and the destruction of our environment. I believe, in Maine, if you are in possession of a Katahdin butterfly, one could see jail time.That bill was passed by a gentleman with a ( D ) after his name. The most recent issue was the protection of the circus elephant on the Maine legislative floor. Ringling Bros. have said they will not come to Maine, thus all children will not experience the circus. The Charter school means of education is being looked at more closely now by many educators and parents.





11 posted on 03/04/2003 12:47:06 PM PST by fight_truth_decay (Occupied)
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To: demosthenes the elder
Looks like the State of Mainure..You need not put down an entire state of great people. If you think this is just in Maine, then you are sadly mistaken. It was the parents of Maine children that came forth. So when you make comments like Mainure in reference to Maine..you are calling me a name as well and I take offense.

Respectfully,

f_t_d

12 posted on 03/04/2003 12:55:01 PM PST by fight_truth_decay (Occupied)
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To: orange julius
Please, let's limit use of the president's "tip of the iceberg" line to Iraq's WMD. You're watering it down.

Okay, let me think about it.........

No.

I have been saying "tip of the iceberg" in reference to situations that I believe there is more involved than what I see. IOW, alot longer than President Bush has been using it to refer to iraqi WMDs. I think I'll keep using it. Well, maybe I can send him an email and ask him to limit it's use to the current situation in Maine. Nahh, goes against my principles; freedom of speach and all.
13 posted on 03/04/2003 1:10:43 PM PST by wasp69 (The time has come.......)
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To: orange julius
BTW, welcome to FR.
14 posted on 03/04/2003 1:12:42 PM PST by wasp69 (The time has come.......)
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To: Dont Mention the War
"We try to put as many ideas and opinions out there on the table and leave it up to them to make up their minds,"

OK kiddies! Here ya go. You make up your minds!

2 + 2 = 5
2 + 2 = 22
2 + 2 = k
2 + 2 = 4
2 + 2 = -4
2 + 2 = 0

The information is there as well as many other diverse views regarding two plus two. Happy learning!

Schools should be there to teach the facts not present all diverse views. That is up to the parents. No wonder our kids are learning less and less.

15 posted on 03/04/2003 1:33:25 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Dont Mention the War
Point about the article:

The Major General is most likely the Adjutant General of the Maine National Guard, which is an appointed political post. The rank of Major General is hardly ever given to anyone who isnt an AG. If he is, he answers to the Governor, who appointed him.

It is in his best interest to take the heat off of his boss, before he finds himself removed from command over a seemingly trifling matter after the uproar dies down.

16 posted on 03/04/2003 2:47:38 PM PST by judicial meanz (If you sacrfice your freedom and liberty for a feeling of security, you dont deserve to be free)
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To: fight_truth_decay
sorry, ftd - I was relating an actual dyslexic effect, not trying to rib you or the rest of your State.
However, in this instance, from the behaviors of official members and mouthpieces for at least three organs of that State, the insult is well earned.
If it makes you feel any better, I am well aware that the miscreance of the "educators" in question is not home-grown in Maine but an effect generated by the Left's nationwide domination of the NEA. So, yes, true: This is by no means solely a local problem.
17 posted on 03/04/2003 3:49:21 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (scum will never cease to be scum - why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: judicial meanz
Re: "The Major General is most likely the Adjutant General of the Maine National Guard, which is an appointed political post. The rank of Major General is hardly ever given to anyone who isnt an AG. If he is, he answers to the Governor, who appointed him.

It is in his best interest to take the heat off of his boss, before he finds himself removed from command over a seemingly trifling matter after the uproar dies down."

Bing-Go on all counts!

Maj. General Joseph E. TINKHAM II is indeed the AG of the ME NG., and reports to Gov. John BALDACCI, "D".

This report originally came from LtCol. J. MOSHER and Chaplain Maj. A. GIBSON, who seemed to be rather, shall we say, "concerned" about this and were speculating that the 30 some cases they were looking into might represent a fraction of actual incidents due to limited access of all NG Families to the Family Support Centers and speculation that many cases had not been reported.

The story hit WABI Bangor on Friday; shortly thereafter a couple of Bloggers landed on it, and it hit the FR forthwith.

I rather think that any such cases reported to School Administration were unlikely to get beyond the Office door, and would be officially forgotten about rather quickly.

By about the following Monday, LTC MOSHER and Chaplain GIBSON were conspicuous by their absence; Gen. TINKHAM and Education Kommizar J. Duke ALBANES were doing all the talking, and they did not seem to think that this was any big deal.

Surprise.

Has anyone seen or heard from MOSHER or GIBSON since? Hmmmm....

The Kommizar sent a Memo to all of the Schools, urging "Sensitivity"; this bureaucratic oblation was for the purging of all Public School sins, apparently, and we were all supposed to just go away, forgive, and forget that it ever happened.

We didn't.

Then it really rattled their cage when Rush and O'REILLY landed on it... heeheehee.

I have heard of the MEA's reputation here mentioned; very few Labor Unions these days can, with one phone call, have cold sweat running and knees a-knocking together all the way from Augusta to Washington DC, but I have little doubt that the MEA weilds that kind of power.

Much to our delight, it seems that neither Bill O'Reilly nor President BUSH are terribly intimidated by them; Bill let them have it pretty well at least once, and we hear that our CIC has had a little "Heart-To-Heart" chat with the Uppity-Ups of the ME Education Dept, in which it seems the Federal "Soldiers and Sailor's Act" was mentioned, along with a few really good reasons why rabid Komrade "teachers" don't EVER want to pull this bilge again.

I somehow doubt that the issue of "Sensitivity" was discussed at any length, but of course I have no way of knowing for sure.

The harder they try to suck this under their rug, the more it slithers out to bite them "aft".

I don't think that they made the most intelligent decision in attempting a cover-up, but only time will tell.

In the mean time check the "Maine Legislator Irked" thread; this is not over by a long shot.

18 posted on 03/04/2003 7:24:53 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (For GOD and COUNTRY!; AMERICAN LEGION - SINCE 1919)
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To: Uncle Jaque
In the mean time check the "Maine Legislator Irked" thread; this is not over by a long shot.

Can you post us a link, Uncle Jaque?
19 posted on 03/05/2003 5:50:01 AM PST by wasp69 (The time has come.......)
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