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Pilots' Alliance 'Shocked Beyond Belief' by TSA Disclosure
CNS News ^ | 2.25.03 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 03/02/2003 4:28:56 AM PST by white trash redneck

Airline pilots supporting the law that allows them to carry guns to defend against potential terrorist hijackings said Monday they are "shocked beyond belief" that federal aviation security officials have publicly revealed weaknesses in the Bush administration's plan to implement the law.

As CNSNews.com previously reported, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) acknowledged Friday that pilots who participate in the program will only be allowed ready access to their guns when they are inside the cockpit with the door locked.

"The jurisdiction of use of the weapon is in the cockpit and the cockpit only," explained TSA spokeswoman Heather Rosenker. "The weapon needs to be re-secured in the locked box if the cockpit door opens."

Capt. Tracy Price, a commercial passenger airline pilot and chairman of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance (APSA), was livid upon learning that the TSA had disclosed the vulnerability.

"[T]he TSA is advertising that to would be terrorists and telling them and pointing out to them that the best opportunity that they will have to take over the cockpit is just then, when the cockpit door is open because they know that the weapon will not be accessible to the pilot," Price said.

The disclosure caused Price to "seriously question the TSA's motives" for allowing the information to be made public.

"Are they truly concerned about airline security, or are they concerned about building their own empire?" he asked. "If they had a serious concern with airline security, they would have never let that information out like they did. We're shocked beyond belief."

TSA has justified the decision based on its interpretation of the legislation that mandated the arming of qualified commercial airline pilots. The law calls for the creation of a "Federal Flight Deck Officer Program."

"They are called 'Federal Flight Deck Officers,'" Rosenker explained. "If somebody tries to intervene into the cockpit of that aircraft, they have the right to use their weapon."

Asked if there were no other circumstance, under which a pilot would be justified in using the weapon, she replied, "That's correct." Rosenker acknowledged that the regulation would include times during flights when one of the pilots leaves the cockpit to use the restroom or get food.

Price rejected Rosenker's explanation.

"We agree that our jurisdiction is strictly in the cockpit," Price acknowledged. "Just because we don't have federal law enforcement officer jurisdiction and liability protection when we're carrying the firearm to and from our homes, doesn't mean we're not authorized to carry the firearm."

The Homeland Security Act of 2002, which created the Department of Homeland Security and mandated that TSA create the armed pilots' program, supports Price's claim. Section 1402 (f) of the law states that: "Notwithstanding any other provision of federal or state law, a federal flight deck officer, whenever necessary to participate in the program, may carry a firearm in any state and from one state to another state."

The law also states that: "In consultation with the Secretary of State, the Under Secretary may take such action as may be necessary to ensure that a Federal flight deck officer may carry a firearm in a foreign country whenever necessary to participate in the program."

Price believes TSA's narrow interpretation of the statute and their public disclosure of that information amounts to a serious threat to the safety of pilots.

"It's a massive, huge hole and it's a huge problem, and it's something we had hoped and everyone had agreed, we thought, that it would be something that we wouldn't let out," Price explained.

Cargo Planes Vulnerable Due to Exclusion from Program

But the firearm storage and transportation requirements are not the only problem that pilots have with the federal flight deck officer program, as Price explained.

"At the 11th hour, cargo pilots were removed from the legislation that authorizes pilots to be armed, and they were removed by simply inserting the word 'passenger' before the word 'airline,' so passenger airline pilots only are the ones that are authorized to carry firearms," Price said. "We've got serious, grave concerns about that because cargo pilots have at least as strong a requirement for being armed, or maybe even stronger than passenger airline pilots."

There are a number of differences between passenger and cargo airliners that Price believes support his argument, including:

Cargo planes never have Federal Air Marshals on board;

Cockpit doors of cargo planes have not been retrofitted to make them stronger, some cargo planes have no cockpit doors at all;

Stowaways on cargo flights are not as rare as the public might imagine;

Cargo ramp areas are not as secure as passenger ramps; and

Thousands of people, many of whom are unknown to one another, work on cargo ramps during nightly sorting of cargo, creating a ready opportunity for terrorists to stowaway on a cargo flight.

"The airplanes are ... as big as passenger airliners and they're carrying very, very large quantities of fuel," Price elaborated. "So it's a very attractive target, it's a very soft target - as far as a terrorist would be concerned - and it will do just as much damage crashing into a building as a passenger airliner."

APSA believes the exclusion of cargo pilots should be removed from the law and they have already found support in Congress.

House Transportation Committee Chairman Don Young (R-Alaska) and Aviation Subcommittee Chairman John Mica (R-Fla.) have introduced a bill, (H.R. 765), to allow cargo pilots to participate in the federal flight deck officer program. The legislation simply removes the word "passenger" from in front of the word "airline" throughout the relevant sections of the law.

"America's airline pilots - both commercial and cargo pilots - know best that they can both control their aircraft and defend their cockpits when necessary," Mica said while introducing the legislation. "They have asked for the ability to defend themselves and their aircraft from terrorist attacks.

"Cargo pilots often carry passengers on flights and fly some of our largest aircraft like 747s," he added. "Our legislation will increase aviation security by closing the loophole that excluded thousands of qualified cargo pilots from protecting their aircraft from terrorist takeovers."

Young agreed.

"We've already passed legislation allowing 60,000 commercial airline pilots to seek qualification for this program," he said. "It's time we allow cargo pilots to have the same protections for their aircraft."

Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), a licensed pilot and ranking minority member of the Aviation Subcommittee, is also an original cosponsor of the bill. The proposal has been sent to Mica's committee for consideration.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlinepilots; armedpilots; tsa
I see Norm Mineta's fingerprints all over this. Bush needs to get rid of this treasonous fifth columnist.

The lefties would like nothing more than to see a repeat of 9-11 so they can start howling "What did George Bush know and when did he know it?"

1 posted on 03/02/2003 4:28:56 AM PST by white trash redneck
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To: white trash redneck
The whole homeland security and tsa thing is a joke. Here in South Florida, the govt has absolutely no control over people coming into our country by water. Twice within the last month, Cubanos have come ashore in Key West totally undetected. The fool Ridge talks of duct tape and sheets of plastic for windows while communist troopers have free reign of our boders. The feds make me sick!
2 posted on 03/02/2003 4:45:30 AM PST by jsraggmann
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To: white trash redneck

I remember, early on I was very unimpressed with Dubya and one of the first thought's that everything might turn out okay was when Linda Chavez lied to him and he canned her. WHAMMO!

Just like that.

He's not your typical Washington type or your typical politician.

If Norm spits in his eye, my guess is that Dub will zap him in a hot second. The only person who's untouchable here I think is Powell. Everyone else had better look out.

3 posted on 03/02/2003 4:46:52 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (Jhoffa_X)
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To: white trash redneck
Weapons locked up when the cockpit is most vulnerable, and huge cargo aircraft are sitting ducks at every point.

:::::shaking head in disgust:::::

4 posted on 03/02/2003 4:57:49 AM PST by NautiNurse (Usama bin Laden has produced more tapes than Steely Dan)
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To: white trash redneck
Thanks for the post.

Can anyone provide a link regarding the type of pistol and ammunition chosen for the pilots?

5 posted on 03/02/2003 5:00:17 AM PST by Buffalo Head
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To: white trash redneck
By order of the President.
6 posted on 03/02/2003 5:04:47 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: white trash redneck
>Cockpit doors of cargo planes have not been retrofitted to make them stronger, some cargo planes have no cockpit doors at all;

Idiots! The most famous case of a near airline takover involved a Fed-Ex CARGO plane!

7 posted on 03/02/2003 5:11:28 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: white trash redneck
Maneta must have castrated Bush!
8 posted on 03/02/2003 6:08:37 AM PST by B4Ranch (It's hard to soar like an eagle.....when you continue to think like a birdbrain.)
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To: white trash redneck
The TSA is draggings its feet in an arrogant attempt to thwart the will of Congress. Norm Mineta must go.

"Wade Jackson, a retired FBI agent who served for nearly ten years as unit chief of the FBI’s firearms training unit in Quantico, Va., upon hearing of the TSA rule, said "The best way for a law enforcement officer to ensure the security of his/her duty weapon is to carry the weapon on their person. A recent audit of FBI lost and stolen weapons by the DOJ Office of the Inspector General - an audit which spanned nearly 30 years - did not disclose a single incident of theft when the weapon was secured in a holster, on the person, as FBI policy requires. The audit also revealed that the vast majority of the weapons were lost or stolen when they were carried in some other manner, such as in gym bags, hand bags or briefcases."

http://www.alpa.org/alpa/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=2255
9 posted on 03/02/2003 7:04:25 AM PST by zipper
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To: zipper
"The TSA is dragging its feet in an arrogant attempt to thwart the will of Congress."

The TSA is a 'affirmative action' army of patronage workers almost 72,000 strong that owe their allegiance to the Liberal Democrats and RINOs in Congress that allowed High School drop-outs, without a GED, to qualify for those jobs in unprecedented numbers.

What you really have is the TSA doing whatever the Liberal Democrats and RINOs in Congress order them to do in order to thwart the will of the conservative members of Congress.

10 posted on 03/02/2003 7:34:41 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: white trash redneck
Once the aircraft is in the air the captain of the craft
is GOD. He "will" control the firearm the way he and his first officer think is prudent. I damn well trust the captain more than I do some bloody pencil pusher in Washington DC.
11 posted on 03/02/2003 7:58:04 AM PST by cpdiii
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To: white trash redneck
What's this about law enforcement officer jurisdiction? Jurisdiction is an attribute of a judge, not a law enforcement officer. It means the domain in which the judge gets to rule on what the law is -- a privilege no LEO has, anywhere, at any time.

In point of fact, LEOs have no more special privileges than ordinary citizens. (Yes, they get to carry firearms with less fuss, but that's because guess who rules on applications for carry permits.) They're just paid to perform a law enforcement occupation, whereas, for the rest of us, it's remunerated solely by our civic pride.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason:
http://palaceofreason.com

12 posted on 03/02/2003 8:20:58 AM PST by fporretto (Curmudgeon Emeritus, Palace of Reason)
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To: 4Freedom
Bush was the one that signed the bill.
13 posted on 03/02/2003 8:29:35 AM PST by nonliberal (Taglines? We don't need no stinkin' taglines!)
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To: white trash redneck
From the article: "It's time we allow cargo pilots to have the same protections for their aircraft."

I know... Why doesn't Congress pass a law which states: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms (including airline pilots) shall not be infringed."

Yep. That would do it.

14 posted on 03/02/2003 1:15:50 PM PST by William Tell
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