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Lunar-tics
New York Time Magazine ^ | 2/8/03 | JACK HITT

Posted on 02/10/2003 9:59:36 AM PST by TomB

There's going to be a comedic section here,'' Bart Sibrel says. ''Some man-on-the-street kind of interviews that I did.'' He hits the fast-forward control to race through a rough cut of his new documentary. Sibrel's studio, located along a strip of storefront recording joints and one-room editing suites known as Nashville's Music Row, is actually his tiny two-room apartment, crammed with mixers and Apple computers. On a Sony Trinitron, the video screeches to a halt and then rolls on some average folks exercising their First Amendment right to express heartfelt opinions on both sides of a debate.

One American says, ''Yes, I think we walked on the moon.''

Another American offers balance: ''Jury's still out in my opinion.''

Sibrel cranks up the background music he has selected, and the familiar voice of R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe brings it on home: If you believed they put a man on the moon, man on the moon. If you believe there's nothing up my sleeve, then nothing is cool.

Sibrel is part of a new generation of conspiracy mega-theorists. They don't toy with the small stuff. Ever since the passing of that sweet, simpler time -- when the Trilateral Commission ordered the hit on John Kennedy and the Queen of England managed the drug cartels -- the narratives of big suspicion have been distorted by the same force that has reshaped our partisan politics, action movies and morning TV talk shows: outrage inflation. To be noticed now, a theory must be of a scope only Stephen Hawking could measure, and it must be promulgated by an amiable spokesman who can deftly juggle often absurd contradictions. Sibrel is not your father's conspiracy theorist -- some grumpy autodidact with a self-published book raging at the gates of the establishment. Sibrel came of age in the post-Watergate era. He has absorbed the real lesson of the last two decades: push for belief in ever bolder and more unlikely ideas. Plus, he knows how to make decent television.

Sibrel's first documentary, ''A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon,'' is a 47-minute feature contending that what people saw on their television screens that famous July night in 1969 was in fact filmed on a back lot. (Sibrel says he believes that it was probably directed by Stanley Kubrick and shot at Area 51 in Nevada.)

Sibrel introduces his thesis with a lighthearted visual montage of real rockets, entertainingly blowing up. As Dinah Washington performs her 1962 hit ''Destination Moon'' (''Come and take a trip on my rocket ship, we'll have a lovely afternoon''), one rocket after another fires off, then hooks right back around to plunge nose first into the launching pad and explode in a spectacular ball of fire. (''Kiss the world goodbye, and away we'll fly, destination Moon.'')

Statistics are vague, but somewhere between 6 and 10 percent of Americans say they don't believe astronauts ever landed on the moon. That percentage is growing, in part because conspiracy theorists now have easy access to media tools -- jump cuts, dissolves, special effects, studio-quality voice-over, zippy credits -- that bolster their theories with something they've never had before: the elegant formatting of television truth.

The megatheories provide huge umbrella explanations of the world around us. The black-helicopter/New World Order videos that began popping up after the collapse of Communism still sell well. ''The Bible Code,'' which argues that events in the past and the future were encrypted 3,000 years ago in Holy Scripture, is again a best seller in its sequel edition. Sibrel is a smaller-scale challenger, but his sales are growing; so far he has moved 20,000 copies of his first film, all through the Internet.

To the generations raised after the moon shot, Sibrel's questions do tease one's curiosity: Why is there no crater beneath the lunar landing module, even through it could allegedly fire 10,000 pounds of thrust? Since the only light source on the moon was the sun, why do the astronauts' shadows tilt in toward each other in some photographs, instead of running parallel? Why is the flag waving in the breeze on an airless moon, and why are there no stars in the dark space sky?

NASA has been confounded by these questions, though not because the agency is unable to answer them. Rather, the old science geeks believe it is beneath their SAT scores to respond at all. As James Oberg, a noted space writer, recalls: ''NASA put out this press release in 2001 that said something like: 'There's a debate about whether we went to the moon. We did.' End of press release. They are hampered by their own conceit.'' While NASA may have the facts on their side, in terms of understanding how the contemporary media work, the space agency is light years behind Bart Sibrel.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apollo; apollo11; bartsibrel; bartsibrelisatwinkie; idiot; lunar; moon; nasa; space; tinfoilhat
Bart Sibrel most recently starred as Buzz Aldrin's punching bag, and is a grade A, number one twinkie.

This story is entirely too kind to the pinhead.

Nice to see the NYT can be "fair" to moon hoax advocates but not conservatives.

1 posted on 02/10/2003 9:59:36 AM PST by TomB
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To: RadioAstronomer; Brett66; aruanan
ping.
2 posted on 02/10/2003 10:01:21 AM PST by TomB (such a personal question!)
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To: TomB
That's one small step for a man, one giant arse-kicking for Bart Sibrel.
3 posted on 02/10/2003 10:03:29 AM PST by Jonah Hex
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To: TomB
And the NRA has a secret agenda to take guns out of the public's hands. They expect to accomplish this with a strong pro-gun lobby and membership. This will disgust so many people that guns will be outlawed. So, in order to protect our rights to bear arms, we must get rid of the NRA.

</>sarcasm

4 posted on 02/10/2003 10:05:13 AM PST by trebb
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To: TomB
These moon hoax believers will not accept reasonable proof or explanations for their questions. Therefore it's a waste of time to debate them, I sympathize with NASA. Of course the best way to shut them up is to have routine flights to the moon. His days of livng off this conspiracy are limited.
5 posted on 02/10/2003 2:31:08 PM PST by Brett66
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To: TomB
To the generations raised after the moon shot, Sibrel's questions do tease one's curiosity: Why is there no crater beneath the lunar landing module, even through it could allegedly fire 10,000 pounds of thrust? Since the only light source on the moon was the sun, why do the astronauts' shadows tilt in toward each other in some photographs, instead of running parallel? Why is the flag waving in the breeze on an airless moon, and why are there no stars in the dark space sky?

1. Why is there no crater beneath the lunar landing module? Because there was (surprisingly at the time) only a little dust on the rocks where they landed.

2. Why do the shadows tilt in toward each other...instead of running parallel? For the same reason that a photo of shadows anywhere makes it look as though they're tilted in toward each other: perspective. This is why railroad tracks that are actually parallel to each other look as though they "tilt in toward each other...instead of running parallel."

3. Why is the flag waving in a breeze...? Since there is no breeze on the airless moon, any real movement of the flag must be from another cause such as light pressure against a piece of foil, much like those little toys with foil vanes that spin in a vacuum because of differences between the lighter and darker sides.

4. Why are there no stars in the deep space sky? Because if the camera is set to take pictures of a brilliantly-lit lunar surface, the length of exposure is too short to make visible relatively dim stars in the blackness of space.

That these questions are enough to tease the writer's curiosity is simply a measure of his general ignorance and gullibility.
6 posted on 02/10/2003 2:45:30 PM PST by aruanan
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All your answers would prove satisfactory to a reasonable, rational individual. Of course tin-foil hatters aren't any of those things.
7 posted on 02/10/2003 2:49:07 PM PST by Brett66
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To: aruanan
1. Why is there no crater beneath the lunar landing module?

Not only was the dust layer covering the lunar regolith suprisingly thin, but the blast from the engine itself was much less than you would expect.

By the time the LM was about to land, it weighed in the vicinity of 3000 pounds in the 1/6th gravity of the moon. Obviously then, then engine only needed to be throttled up to that level to hover or slightly below that to land. Now, the nozzle of the descent engine is around 50(?) inches across, which yields a surface area of around 2000 square inches. That means the pressure of the blast coming out of the nozzle, right at the nozzle, would be around 1.5 p.s.i. I'd say that most people blowing through their mouths could produce more pressure.

People hear "rocket engine" and assume power such as the Saturn V or the Shuttle's SRBs, but they didn't need much oomph for a small craft on the moon.

Another way to put this into perspective is to look at a Harrier SVTOL jet. If you've ever seen it land on a field, you see that it doesn't leave a crater, and yet the weight of the plane is around 24,000 pounds{very approx.), so each of the four nozzles has to put out at least 6000 pounds of thrust. Each nozzle puts out twice what the LM put out!

(As you can see, I'm a real Apollo nut.)

8 posted on 02/10/2003 3:31:40 PM PST by TomB
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To: TomB
1.5psi. Ha ha ha ha ha.
9 posted on 02/10/2003 3:47:19 PM PST by aruanan
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To: TomB
Here's a good photo of the moons surface under Apollo 11's lander:


10 posted on 02/10/2003 3:50:43 PM PST by Brett66
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To: Jonah Hex; TomB; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart; Poohbah
Quote:
Aldrin's right hook to the nose is particularly impressive. Outside a hotel, Sibrel suddenly appears in front of the second man to walk on the moon and badgers him with the Bible. Aldrin recognizes him, and it's no surprise: earlier in the year, Sibrel had conned Aldrin into a regular interview. On that first occasion, when Aldrin figured out the documentary's angle, he ripped off his microphone and provided Sibrel with a quick overview of his theories: ''I think you're full of [astronaut jargon deleted],'' Aldrin explained.

On this second encounter, Aldrin tried to brush Sibrel aside several times. When that failed, the astronaut launched his fist in a graceful parabola that landed, without any guidance from Houston, right between Sibrel's eyes.


11 posted on 02/10/2003 3:55:30 PM PST by dighton
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To: Brett66; TomB
Here an appropriate anagram for Bart Sibrel:

STIR RABBLE
12 posted on 02/10/2003 3:56:17 PM PST by aruanan
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To: dighton
On this second encounter, Aldrin tried to brush Sibrel aside several times. When that failed, the astronaut launched his fist in a graceful parabola that landed, without any guidance from Houston, right between Sibrel's eyes.

"Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed."

"To the moon, Alice!"

13 posted on 02/10/2003 3:59:24 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: TomB
Hit 'im again, Buzz!
14 posted on 02/10/2003 4:04:56 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Brett66
Under Apollo 12's landing bell:

Under Apollo 15 they landed partly on a depression or crater so the view is somewhat obscure:

Didn't seem to ba any good photo's of the landing bell from the other missions.

15 posted on 02/10/2003 4:05:21 PM PST by Brett66
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To: Physicist
ping.
16 posted on 02/10/2003 5:30:30 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Brett66
Didn't seem to ba any good photo's of the landing bell from the other missions.

AHA!!! That obviously means they're hiding something.

17 posted on 02/10/2003 6:02:36 PM PST by TomB
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To: Brett66; RadioAstronomer; dighton; aruanan; Poohbah
Sometimes I miss the good old days around here before JimRob did the house cleaning (flushed the toilets?), when one of these thread would have all the nut jobs come out of the woodwork. It always made for a lively thread.

    "But if Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon, who filmed him coming down the ladder?"

Well......

OK, maybe I don't miss them THAT much.

18 posted on 02/10/2003 6:10:00 PM PST by TomB (and they ALL voted for Buchanan)
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To: TomB
They say spreading sulfer in afflicted areas will reduce the Lunar-tics.

Whatever you do don't squeeze their heads when you try to remove them.

19 posted on 02/10/2003 6:10:20 PM PST by listenhillary (Axis of Weasels = saddams' rump swab)
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To: TomB
Don't know how I missed this article before.

Anyway, Phil Plait has thoroughly debunked the moon hoax tinfoilers.

See here: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Excellent reference for those fence-sitters you know - die-hard hoax believers won't listen to reason anyway...
20 posted on 02/20/2003 2:19:04 AM PST by petuniasevan (Wonders of the universe)
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