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NPR: The Great (Smoking Ban) Debate
NPR's Justice Talking ^ | Jan. 29, 2003 | email

Posted on 01/29/2003 4:26:21 PM PST by Max McGarrity

Joe Cherner vs. Jacob Sullum
 
If you are going to be in New York City on February 5 (next Wednesday), you are invited to take part in a live taping for National Public Radio (NPR) about smokefree workplace legislation.
 
What:  NPR's Justice Talking (audience participation encouraged)
When: Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 6:30pm-8:00pm
Where: Baruch University's Newman Conference Center (151 East 25th Street), Room 750
Who: Jacob Sullum, Senior Editor, Reason Magazine   vs.
         Joe Cherner, President, SmokeFree Educational Services, Inc.
How: Reserve your place at www.justicetalking.org/upcoming.asp (click on "join the audience")
         or call Joy Cerequas at 212-316-3636
 
Cherner will argue that ALL workers deserve a smokefree work environment.  Sullum will argue that business owners should decide their own smoking policy.

Currently airing on more than 70 stations in the U.S., NPR's Justice Talking is quickly becoming America's source for insight on the hot-button legal issues we all read about, think about and talk about every day.  The weekly, one-hour program is moderated by veteran NPR correspondent Margot Adler and features the nation's leading advocates who face off in down-to-earth, free-wheeling debate.  Taped before a live audience, each debate begins with a feature report that provides the human story behind the topic, prepared by a talented team of public radio correspondents.  Margot Adler asks her own challenging questions and then fields questions from the diverse and knowledgeable audience. 
 
Recognized by the New York Times for its "quality and depth," Justice Talking has been the recipient of several awards including the Nancy Dickerson Whitehead Award for Excellence in Reporting, the New York Festival's Gold Medal Award, and the Civic Mind Award for excellence in public education about the law.

"Justice Talking ... is a substantive and thought-[provoking program that ... captures the tough challenges legislators face in coming up with policies that balance public [concerns].  By giving both sides equal time, the program explores the complexities of the issue ... [it] is an example of journalistic excellence"  Leslie Stahl

Join the debate!  Attendance is free but seating is limited, so visit www.justicetalking.org/upcoming.asp and click on "join the audience" to reserve your place.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: butts; cherner; cigarettes; individualliberty; privateproperty; pufflist; smokingbans; sullum; tobacco
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1 posted on 01/29/2003 4:26:21 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; SheLion
Should be interesting to see Cherner go head to head with Sullum. Wish I could be there.
2 posted on 01/29/2003 4:30:06 PM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Max McGarrity
Haven't heard "Justice Talking" yet. It's hard to listen to NPR these days, since they've turned into Bush Bash Central 24-7. They used to be funny, now they're just pathetic.
3 posted on 01/29/2003 4:35:11 PM PST by Musket
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To: Musket; Max McGarrity
They used to be funny, now they're just pathetic.

I don't know about that Musket...I think they used to be pathetic, but now their funny.....JMHO

FMCDH...(hi Max...PUFF!)

4 posted on 01/29/2003 4:45:09 PM PST by nothingnew (the pendulum always swings back and the socialists are now in the pit)
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To: Max McGarrity
Yes, I wish I could be there.
It ought to be really good.
Do you think Sullum has all the ammo he needs?
5 posted on 01/29/2003 4:53:16 PM PST by Just another Joe
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To: Max McGarrity
We all know about the evils of smoking in any public place and how inconsiderate smokers are. And, just as business owners can't determine their own rules for the minimum age to buy booze, whether employees should take the time to wash hands after bathroom use, or whether employees with TB, jaundice or other diseases should handle food, they shouldn't be allowed to poison the air of customers and employees just because some are so weak as to be slaves to a terrible addiction.

Now that NPR is involved, however, we probably will learn the terrible effect that workplace smoking has on fairies. I used to listen to NPR but changed the station every time they begin a story about fairies being close to normal. It is amazing how often they broadcast that message.

6 posted on 01/29/2003 4:54:36 PM PST by Tacis
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To: Max McGarrity
They forgot the alternate solution. Companies going to China. All of these government regulations help create an employee free workplace.
7 posted on 01/29/2003 4:56:44 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: Tacis
they shouldn't be allowed to poison the air of customers and employees just because some are so weak as to be slaves to a terrible addiction

Um, you know that the alleged health dangers of secondhand smoke have been found to be nonexistent, right? The arguments of supporters of these bans always reduces to "I don't like smoke". Well, neither do I, but that's not a sufficient reason to deprive the business owner of his property rights.

8 posted on 01/29/2003 5:00:42 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: Max McGarrity
It wouldn't surprise me if Sullum has Cherner for lunch.

I've never been bothered that there is not a local NPR station here - now I'll have to go searching for one - just to listen to this.
9 posted on 01/29/2003 6:23:45 PM PST by Gabz (Congrats Bucs - it's been a long time coming!!!!)
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To: Tacis
The would-be public air defilers have a problem with this debate - we know that they have options, other than the most sensible one (quitting): 1. Patches 2. Gum 3. Learn some self-control - wait until you are in your own air before you indulge your addiction.
10 posted on 01/29/2003 6:32:13 PM PST by 185JHP (Was "Tuco" right? "If you're going to shoot...")
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To: Tacis
Now that NPR is involved, however, we probably will learn the terrible effect that workplace smoking has on fairies. I used to listen to NPR but changed the station every time they begin a story about fairies being close to normal. It is amazing how often they broadcast that message.

NPR doesn't even have to be involved - just the fact that Cherner is involved tells you that.

Because we're smokers, Cherner believes he and his "partner" are better parents than my husband and I. he's a major proponent of gay "adoption."

I'm glad to know that your hatred of smokers goes so far that you side with the fairies you claim to despise over of the rights of business owners and conservatives who believe in the true meaning of parenthood, marriage, and freedom from the nanny state.

You are a typical anti - they are all hypocrites.

11 posted on 01/29/2003 6:32:19 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smokers speak with forked tongues.)
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To: 185JHP
If you don't want to be exposed to smoke in a bar - open your own and stay out of private establishments that permit smoking.
12 posted on 01/29/2003 6:33:56 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smokers speak with forked tongues.)
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To: Gabz
Freedom of Choice!

My, what a novel concept.

13 posted on 01/29/2003 6:36:23 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Gabz
Don't have to. Much prefer having a law that hammers people with your attitude.
14 posted on 01/29/2003 6:39:07 PM PST by 185JHP (Was "Tuco" right? "If you're going to shoot...")
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To: Tacis
By "fairies," I assume you don't mean tiny, winged beings with magical powers... You should watch this one, tacis, Joe Cherner is a proponent of gay parenting, and his family consists of him, his male partner and two little girls. But, hey...he's against those nasty smokers, so ya gotta love 'em, right? ROFLMAO!
15 posted on 01/29/2003 8:05:00 PM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Just another Joe
As a civil rights issue, Joe, my money's on Sullum.

Anti-smoking crusade a threat to civil rights, U.S. author warns

"Government efforts to clamp down on cigarette smoking pose a threat to civil liberties, a U.S. author says. Jacob Sullum, author of For Your Own Good: The Anti-Smoking Crusade and the Tyranny of Public Health, delivered a speech in Montreal last week that blended smokers' rights with individual freedoms in a manner that is rarely heard in public forums.

Sullum told a luncheon audience of about 50 people organized by the conservative-minded L'Institute Economique de Montreal on Thursday that adult consumption of cigarettes should be a private matter, not a public-health issue.

"Treating risky behaviour (cigarette smoking) like a contagious illness has troubling implications," Sullum said. "If the government is authorized to discourage personal decisions that might lead to disease or injury, there is no end to the interventions that could be justified, and no safe harbour for individual freedom."

Sullum, a senior editor at Reason magazine, argued that government moves toward a cigarette-free society denies the minority rights of smokers.

Regarding second-hand smoke, it should be up to property owners to decide whether or not they tolerate cigarettes on their premises, he said.

As for government-run services and buildings, he suggested that both smokers and non-smokers can be accommodated.

As Sullum sees it, the only legitimate curb on the freedom to smoke comes with limiting access to minors.

16 posted on 01/29/2003 8:09:58 PM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: 185JHP
wait until you are in your own air before you indulge your addiction.

Well, that's might white of you. How about if we wait until we're in the smoker-friendly BUSINESS OWNER'S AIR to light up? Surely you wouldn't have a problem with that? Or do you, like tacis and other totalitarian jerkwads, think ALL air belongs to you?

17 posted on 01/29/2003 8:13:29 PM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: 185JHP
#10........ You of course have options too........ stay out of places allowing smoking.
18 posted on 01/29/2003 9:47:22 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: Great Dane
You of course have options too........ stay out of places allowing smoking.

Anti smokers do not believe that applies to them.

19 posted on 01/30/2003 3:04:29 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smokers speak with forked tongues.)
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To: Max McGarrity
How dense can you people be? Grasping business owners are, and will continue to be, governed by governments. You can chant your "private property" mantra until you're blue in the face, unless you can get a plurality or majority that's in favor of coddling your stench and residue-producing proclivity, macht nichts.
20 posted on 01/30/2003 9:09:31 PM PST by 185JHP (Was "Tuco" right? "If you're going to shoot...")
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