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Frist Will Seek Permanent Ban on All Human Cloning
Human Events ^ | 13 JAN 2003 Edition | David Freddoso

Posted on 01/10/2003 12:13:49 PM PST by Remedy

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R.-Tenn.) will move to pass a permanent ban on all forms of human cloning in the new Congress, a Frist aide told Human Events.

Despite Frist’s public ambivalence last year over whether he would support a ban or merely a moratorium on cloning, the aide said Frist would push for a permanent ban in the new Congress. The aide said Frist had spoken for a moratorium last year only because that was all he thought would pass the Senate at the time, and that a moratorium would be "better than nothing."

Still, thanks to continued opposition from most Senate Democrats, other congressional sources said that unless President Bush intervenes with key senators, the Senate may not do any better than a moratorium. The White House did not respond to inquiries from Human Events as to whether President Bush—who gave his blessing last spring to a complete and permanent ban on human cloning—would make the cloning ban a priority, or whether he would mention cloning in his January 28 State of the Union address.

But a net gain of four anti-cloning senators in the midterm elections was definitely enough to doom a rival proposal, specifically denounced by President Bush, that would allow the creation of human clones only if they are subsequently destroyed in scientific experiments.

It is believed that about 44 senators have either committed to or are leaning toward the complete cloning ban, with several still undecided. But with Republicans running the Senate, Frist may finally be able to bring about a clear up-or-down vote on the ban, something former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D.-S.D.) never allowed. Even if the ban fails to pass, a "no" vote could be politically damaging for several liberal senators facing re-election in conservative states in 2004, including Daschle, Byron Dorgan (N.D) and Blanche Lincoln (Ark.).

The House, on the other hand, is expected to pass a permanent and complete ban (already numbered H.R. 234) by a very wide bipartisan margin, as it did in the last Congress when the bill received 265 votes. No new hearings on the measure are expected before it reaches the House floor, which could happen as early as February, according to Rep. Dave Weldon (R.-Fla.), the bill’s chief House sponsor.

Frist, who is also a medical doctor, announced his support for anti-cloning legislation last year. But his public statements on the issue concerned some anti-cloning activists because they seemed to indicate that his support for a ban was conditional, that he may be open to legalizing human cloning in the future for the purpose of scientific experimentation, provided the necessary technology is developed.

They point to a Washington Post op-ed of April 28, 2002, in which Frist wrote: "At this point in the evolution of this new science, I cannot justify the purposeful creation and destruction of human embryos in order to experiment on them."

According to the Dec. 24, 2002, Boston Globe, Frist also met recently with officials from Advanced Cell Technology (ACT)—a Massachusetts-based research company that has already cloned human embryos. The Globe reported that Frist met with the officials at the request of "wealthy ACT investors friendly with Frist, who were worried that the company’s cloning work would soon be outlawed."

The new bipartisan anti-cloning bill is also slightly weaker than the version proposed last year. Absent is a section of the original bill that forbade importation into the United States of therapies produced from human clones. The Senate sponsor of the cloning ban, Sam Brownback (R.-Kan.), argued last spring that such a provision was necessary in order to prevent an easy end-run around the law. But the provision was removed from both the House and Senate versions this year. Weldon called the change "an attempt to make it more acceptable to some of the senators."

Last March, Frist expressed discomfort with the anti-importation provision, telling reporters outside the White House that part of the bill "needs to be worked on." Weldon spokeswoman Pamela Groover, however, said Frist had not called Weldon to ask for the provision to be removed.


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1 posted on 01/10/2003 12:13:49 PM PST by Remedy
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To: nickcarraway; Polycarp
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2 posted on 01/10/2003 12:15:17 PM PST by Desdemona
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Oh yes, great idea! Ban any "therapy" produced by human clones. So if they cure cancer in Belgium, we can all sit over here in our "greatest" country and die horribly! I will feel such pride as I am torn apart with tumors.
3 posted on 01/10/2003 12:21:04 PM PST by RockandRollResurrection
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To: RockandRollResurrection
What we really need is a ban on all "ABORTIONS"!!
4 posted on 01/10/2003 12:22:30 PM PST by Mr. Wright
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5 posted on 01/10/2003 12:23:03 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: Remedy
The left favors cloning. They see the opportunity to make millions of voters instantly available to their party. How? They want to free the imprisoned. When cloning is perfected, DNA evidence will no longer be useful. And God forbid a clone should show up with the same fingerprints as another person. The left's partners, the lawyers would challenge all convictions based on these factors.
6 posted on 01/10/2003 12:23:40 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Remedy
OK, they are human, so what.

So9

7 posted on 01/10/2003 12:23:42 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
"The left favors cloning. They see the opportunity to make millions of voters instantly available to their party. How? They want to free the imprisoned. When cloning is perfected, DNA evidence will no longer be useful. And God forbid a clone should show up with the same fingerprints as another person. The left's partners, the lawyers would challenge all convictions based on these factors."

Is that a joke, or are you just nuts?
8 posted on 01/10/2003 12:26:25 PM PST by APBaer
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To: APBaer
I don't think the Sgt. is nuts. We just know what the left has been capable of in the past to stay in power, that's all.
9 posted on 01/10/2003 12:31:48 PM PST by rep-always
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To: APBaer
IMHO, Frist and the rest of 'em can make all the laws they want, but unfortunately, cloning is already out of Pandora's box, and can't be put back. As we sit here at our computers, people all over the world are experimenting with how they can make cloning of humans a reality.Personally, I don't think a few laws here and there will stop it.
10 posted on 01/10/2003 12:31:51 PM PST by basil
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To: RockandRollResurrection

Oh yes, great idea! Ban any "therapy" produced by human clones. So if they cure cancer in Belgium, we can all sit over here in our "greatest" country and die horribly! I will feel such pride as I am torn apart with tumors.


Federalist No. 51

...It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part. Different interests necessarily exist in different classes of citizens. If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure....Whilst all authority in it will be derived from and dependent on the society, the society itself will be broken into so many parts, interests, and classes of citizens, that the rights of individuals, or of the minority, will be in little danger from interested combinations of the majority. In a free government the security for civil rights must be the same as that for religious rights. It consists in the one case in the multiplicity of interests, and in the other in the multiplicity of sects...Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit. In a society under the forms of which the stronger faction can readily unite and oppress the weaker, anarchy may as truly be said to reign as in a state of nature, where the weaker individual is not secured against the violence of the stronger; and as, in the latter state, even the stronger individuals are prompted, by the uncertainty of their condition, to submit to a government which may protect the weak as well as themselves; so, in the former state, will the more powerful factions or parties be gradnally induced, by a like motive, to wish for a government which will protect all parties, the weaker as well as the more powerful.

The stronger individuals are prompted, by the uncertainty of their condition, to reject abortion or accept euthanasia.

11 posted on 01/10/2003 12:32:35 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Desdemona; *Catholic_list; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R.-Tenn.) will move to pass a permanent ban on all forms of human cloning

This is good. But...

How about a permanent ban on all forms of partial birth abortion too?

I think withthe Raelian cult and controversy, and the unanimous opinion of reputable experts that only a monster can result from human cloining, that this move is not "courageous" or even politically "risky" but a simple no-brainer.

I also think Frisk has a duty to follow through on his party's earlier promise to pass a partial birth abortion ban.

That will ulitmately be Frisk's litmus test. If he fails to do this immediately, we know his course.

12 posted on 01/10/2003 12:33:12 PM PST by Polycarp (ABANDONMENT TO DIVINE PROVIDENCE in all things)
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To: rep-always
"I don't think the Sgt. is nuts."

I agree with you completely,
as far as your first three words go.
13 posted on 01/10/2003 12:33:27 PM PST by APBaer
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To: RockandRollResurrection
Too bad those tumors affected your brain first...
14 posted on 01/10/2003 12:34:50 PM PST by Polycarp (ABANDONMENT TO DIVINE PROVIDENCE in all things)
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To: Polycarp
Yes, how about a ban on abortions?
15 posted on 01/10/2003 12:34:52 PM PST by MatthewViti
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To: Remedy
OK remedy, go ahead and give your life up to save a couple of cells. Are you willing to adopt those cells and have them implanted in you or your spouse's womb? Or do you have an alternate plan for them? If not, your opinions on what should NOT be done with them are pretty baseless and carry little weight with rational people.
16 posted on 01/10/2003 12:36:37 PM PST by RockandRollResurrection
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To: RockandRollResurrection
Go to Britain, you can partake of their wonderful health care system. They have been experimenting with fetal tissue for ages. No results, but good sound bites, eh?
17 posted on 01/10/2003 12:38:45 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: Polycarp
Yeah my brain is the one screwed up, while you would let millions die of cancer to save some cells. That's rich! I commend you on your thoroughly thought out and reasoned post, though.
18 posted on 01/10/2003 12:39:05 PM PST by RockandRollResurrection
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To: RockandRollResurrection
"carry little weight with rational people"

Apparently a minority of posters on this thread.
19 posted on 01/10/2003 12:39:08 PM PST by APBaer
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To: RockandRollResurrection
Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity
20 posted on 01/10/2003 12:39:58 PM PST by Remedy
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