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'Go pills' made us do it, say US pilots who bombed allies
Sydney Morning Herald ^

Posted on 01/03/2003 7:59:47 PM PST by RCW2001

January 4 2003

Two US pilots charged with manslaughter over a deadly "friendly fire" bombing that claimed the lives of four allied soldiers in Afghanistan were pressured to take amphetamines that may have impaired their judgement, their lawyers claim.

They said the air force made pilots use the Dexedrine "go pills" because of their erratic schedule - flying day and night - but did not tell them of the manufacturer's warning against operating heavy machinery or engaging in hazardous activities.

The F-16 pilots, Major Harry Schmidt and Major William Umbach, face court-martial for dropping a laser-guided bomb near Kandahar on April 17 because they thought they were being fired on from the ground. The explosion killed four Canadian soldiers.

The Air Force confirmed that pilots had used low doses of dextroamphetamine on long missions since World War II, but insisted its use was voluntary and safe.

But Charles Gittins, a former marine pilot and lawyer who is representing Major Schmidt, said his client flew seven 10-hour missions during several weeks in the region - and had used the pills each time because he got too tired without them.

"My client had to take them every mission to complete the mission," he said. "They over-tasked the pilots in the theatre. The one time he tried not to use the pill, he nearly had a collision with a tanker."

The warning from the manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline, had not been included in a voluntary consent form given to pilots. "The manufacturer specifically counsels doctors to tell patients they should not operate heavy machinery or engage in potentially hazardous activities while using this drug. No pilot was ever told that."

An air force investigation determined the pilots "demonstrated poor airmanship" and ignored procedure by not making sure there were no allied troops in the area when they dropped the bomb.

Their lawyers will argue at a hearing in Louisiana on January 13 that the accident could have been averted if the pilots had been told about ground exercises involving the Canadians.

Major Schmidt, 37, and Major Umbach, 43, now serve in the Illinois Air National Guard, where they were recalled to active duty in the "war on terrorism".

The chief of air force media, Colonel Alvina Mitchell, said the drug had long been used to combat fatigue during missions of eight to 12 hours, or if pilots were flying during normal sleeping hours.

Pilots typically took a 10-milligram dose of Dexedrine, half the amount given to children with attention deficit disorder. As well, the air force had never received any report of the drug contributing to an accident.


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1 posted on 01/03/2003 7:59:47 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
Bravo Zulu to these military lawyers. Scape- goating pilots that made a terrible mistake is just reprehensible. It's not like they were out there "buzzing some Canucks" for fun. They were just doing their job. An accident happened, as accidents do happen in a war zone.This is sounding like what was done to some poor gunner's mate after the Iowa's #3 turret blew up.
2 posted on 01/03/2003 8:36:03 PM PST by EricT.
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To: EricT.
Why were they not informed of possible allied activity in the area? The person whose job it was to provide that info should be held responsible...were the pilots required to specifically ask about such activity? At 500 MPH at night, it's kinda tough to look out the window and figure out who's who....
3 posted on 01/03/2003 8:54:46 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Frank_2001
At 500 MPH at night, it's kinda tough to look out the window and figure out who's who . . .

Especially if your brain is frying on speed.

The failure here was the USAF pushing pills or pushing these pilots beyond normal endurance and denying them adequate crew rest. Their superiors should be court-martialed and jailed.

4 posted on 01/03/2003 8:59:55 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: RCW2001
The warning from the manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline, had not been included in a voluntary consent form given to pilots. "The manufacturer specifically counsels doctors to tell patients they should not operate heavy machinery or engage in potentially hazardous activities while using this drug. No pilot was ever told that."

Too bad this isn't a civilian court, or these pilots would be retiring as millionaires instead of trying to avoid being stabbed in the back by the same outfit who lets them 'volunteer' to take the go pills or keep flying till they crash from sleep deprevation.

The Air Force might wind up wishing the had not tried to stick it to these guys who, from what I've heard, were not guilty of negligence in any reasonable sense.

5 posted on 01/03/2003 9:04:42 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: Kevin Curry
10 mg? Please. This had nothing to do with it. They could have drank a bunch of coffee and this would have happened under your reasoning.

It was an accident. They'll be acquitted. They're having the trial to appease the Canadians, who are a bunch of skittish ninnies.
6 posted on 01/03/2003 9:05:30 PM PST by motexva
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To: Kevin Curry
Esquire magazine will be publishing a report next week that indicates another 'stimulate', much more potent than Dexedrine, is also in use by these pilots...

stay tuned...this one isn't finished yet!

7 posted on 01/03/2003 9:09:57 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
As a USAF Brat, I can remember hearing stories of "stop & go pills" from pilots and aircrew dating back to the Korean War. It sounded like a policy to get chemically f**ked up legally.

And "voluntary consent" forms? Yeah, right. (Hey -- Grammar Police: that was a double positive that acts as a negative. Add that to your lecture notes.)

Most combat pilots would smoke rat turds if the flight surgeon told them it would give them an edge in getting the mission done -- especially if their commander added his two-cents worth.

Ten hours locked in an F-16 (or any fighter) cockpit is nothing to sniff at. You might have decent headroom and some elbow room, but your legs are jammed into two wells on either side of the center console and you are not gonna stroll aft to use the restroom or hit the galley for coffee.

If you left home base with a heavy load of ordnance, your first job will be to go find the tanker and top off the fuel. Then you orbit around waiting for a target. The target finally gets called in and you roll in, balls to the wall with "green 'em up, clean 'em up, turn on the music" spraying every last molecule of adrenaline into your bloodstream. You climb back out with all MERs empty, all adrenaline reduced to spent blood sugars & assorted waste by-products, hunting for any damned tanker out there to replace the fuel that disappeared while you were turning and burning and trying to keep the grunts on the ground alive (like Uncle JackelopeBreeder).

I don't know about the rest of you vets out there, but I'll take a jet jock on uppers any day of the week. He might accidently smoke me like a Smithfield ham, but I know he was trying his utmost to keep my sorry ass alive.



8 posted on 01/03/2003 9:23:32 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: JackelopeBreeder
In We Were Soldiers, there was a code that the Mel Gibson officer used to call in heavy fire when his men were pinned and being taken out.

Can you remember it?

9 posted on 01/03/2003 9:34:35 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: motexva
10 mg? Please. This had nothing to do with it. They could have drank a bunch of coffee and this would have happened under your reasoning.

Anyone who's done Dexedrine knows that it's effects are not the same as simply drinking a bunch of coffee.
Especially over the long term.
I don't believe the claimed 10 mg recommended average dosage would be stuck to religiously in these situations either. You can be sure the pilots are given a certain amount of discretion when it comes to dosage.
I've used Dexedrine and many other forms of amphetimines in the past and know how kooked out and wired out they can make people. You can even begin to hallucinate.

10 posted on 01/03/2003 9:42:54 PM PST by Jorge
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To: motexva
It WAS an accident, insofar as nobody is accusing them of INTENTIONALLY causing friendly casualties. Why did this accident occur? Read SUMMARY OF FACTS: TARNAK FARMS FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENT NEAR KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN 17 APRIL 2002

There is quite a bit more to this sad story than most sources are reporting. They did wrong and good guys died, and I am not unpatriotic, anti-military, or anti-Illinois Air Guard to say that.

11 posted on 01/03/2003 9:59:25 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: lavocat
You are correct.
13 posted on 01/03/2003 10:10:27 PM PST by flyer182
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To: RCW2001
So far I agree with all posted except 10 and 12's posting.

Regarding poster 10 yes many days on meth. can make you psycotic/schitzo. However doses taken infreaquently is not likely to have any adverse effects.

These guys were given doses of medication. Pharmacy drugs taken in accordance to clinical usage is not the same as someone spinning out on meth and over doing it as with any drug.

And you number 12 poster are sounding like a reactionary not looking at all the facts. Facts which we as civilians only know via the media.


14 posted on 01/03/2003 10:23:45 PM PST by oceanperch
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To: motexva
They're having the trial to appease the Canadians, who are a bunch of skittish ninnies.

Do you not think they would have been tried if they had killed American 101st ABN troops, or Royal Marines, or Australian SAS? Were the Apache crews who took out friendly Bradleys in 1991 not brought to trial?

The Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry was attached to TF RAKKASAN, 101st ABN DIV at the time. Those four dead troopers could just as easily have been Americans.

15 posted on 01/03/2003 10:26:41 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Frank_2001
Why were they not informed of possible allied activity in the area? The person whose job it was to provide that info should be held responsible...were the pilots required to specifically ask about such activity?

Read the report in Post #11.

The pre-flight briefing specifically stated "No fratricide...100% release clearance". Such instructions were issued precisely because the area around Kandahar was crawling with friendlies.

The pilots asked for permission to release while they were flying over a U.S. Army training range conducting a scheduled training exercise that maintained a liason officer at the Kandahar control tower in constant radio communication between the control tower and the training range.

The pilots were denied permission to release.

They circled back over the U.S. Army training range and, in violation of a direct order from the control tower, relesed their ordnance and killed friendly troops training at that U.S. Army training range.

Their lawyers can't win on the facts of the case so now they are dealing the "they were on mind-altering drugs" card.

16 posted on 01/03/2003 10:35:00 PM PST by Polybius
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To: patriciaruth
"Broken Arrow"
17 posted on 01/03/2003 10:59:55 PM PST by SAMS
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The wingman (Coffee 52) took it upon himself to declare "Self-Defense" and to attack without clearence and against instructions to "Stand By" resulting in friendly death and injury.

I believe they need to justify their actions at Courts Martial. I don't prejudge them guilty or innocent but I believe they both have earned the right to be tried by a jury of their peers.

BTW, this was SOP during Vietnam, at least in the Marines.

18 posted on 01/03/2003 11:13:17 PM PST by a4drvr
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To: RCW2001
The Democratic Party Drove Us Over The Edge Syndrome. Film at 11.
19 posted on 01/03/2003 11:16:01 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: SAMS
Thanks! I've been trying to remember that for a couple weeks!
20 posted on 01/03/2003 11:20:01 PM PST by patriciaruth
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