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To: piasa
5. I have heard, that Mr. Bin Laden was trained by the C.I. A. Is that correct?

Aparently not. People assume that because the US helped Afghans fight the Russians back when the USSR invaded Afghanistan, that we must have trained EVERYONE who fought the Russians. This is not true. We did train many Arabs as well as Afghans to fight the USSR, but I've seen no proof nor had reason to believe that bin Laden was one of them. Bin Laden already despised Americans by that time and he wanted nothing to do with the US even then - the feeling was mutual. His connections may have been useful, though- or maybe not. Bin Laden was funded by Saudis and other Arab countries and by his own dad's ample resources; he was a follower of Azzam, a Palestinian cleric, and his people for the most part trained with them, which is another reason why the Palestinians are so intertwined with this current conflict. Azzam to be sure found recruits in America, but he too was always anti-American and always preached against the US even while he was within it. He made good use of american tolerance for speech, even speech against America. Bin Laden was a financier, not a fighter and he did not require military training to be a financier. It seems pretty clear that he didn't have western training at all since he couldn't even hold his gun correctly. (He holds nothing but dirt, now.) Bin Laden did, however, value good training and his group recommended that its people seek out training wherever they could find it, either privately or by joining militaries both in the middle east and in Europe and the US. This would be true of any agents of espionage since it is most useful to know one's enemy from first hand experience. as a result, a number of al Qaeda members had joined if only for a short time, the US armed forces.

6. The Taliban were good enough for keeping th >>MUllahs<< in Teheran silent for biulding a pipeline for America,

I have no idea what you're talking about now. The Taliban didn't get along with the Mullahs in Iran and indeed, the mullahs in Iran tried to assassinate the Taliban Mullah Omar with a very large car bomb back in the late 1990s, so I don't think they really like one another. Traditionally, Wahhabbists and Shiiites don't get along, although in my opinion they will make temporary alliances when they seek to fight something they hate more than each other, like the US or Israel, or the Russians. There is no Iranian 'pipeline for America' nor was there a Taliban-Afghan 'pipeline for America' either, so I think you are just reading propaganda off of some French web site or from that assinine French book that was published recently. It has addled your brain.

so the Talibans were supported by the government in the USA.

Nope. The Clinton administration tried over and over again to get the Taliban to turn over bin Laden. They probably offered the Taliban some incentives but in any case, they were rebuffed, as bin Laden was never turned over to the US and the Taliban were never sufficiently afraid of Bill Clinton to risk turning bin Laden over; they were more afraid of bin Laden. And for good reason since Clinton was a coward without the will to risk his political career to do the right thing and bin Laden was willing to to kill people he didn't get along with.

The Taliban's closest buddy was Pakistan and their next best friend was the PRC, otherwise known as the People's Republic of China. The PRC and the Taliban were in negotiations at the time of the attack on New York, which is one reason we found so much Chinese material hidden in those caves over there. Did you forget about that? The PRC was also deeply involved in Pakistan during the time of the Taliban and were involved in improving the main highway that leads from the Chinese border to a port on the Indian Ocean to which China very much wanted access.

Europe and China have a much greater interest in natural gas and other fuels in that part of the world than the US ever would in oil from there. We get the bulk of our oil from Venezuela. Venezuela, for those who aren't familiar with it, is in the WESTERN hemisphere and we don't need any Iranian or Afghan pipeline to get to it any more than we would need and Iranian or Afghan pipeline to get to ANWR in Alaska. The pipeline myth sounds good to those who dislike America because it implies that the US is morally equivalent to everyone else's countries- but it just doesn't hold water.

What do you think about that?

7. Robert Dole said, that there´s only one reason, that the Americans want to bomb Saddam: OIL. Is that true? I thin it is?

I have not heard Bob Dole say any such thing, and I've heard him discuss Iraq recently and he said no such thing then. Care to provide a valid SOURCE for your information?

The US's interest in Iraq certainly has nothing to do with the US 'getting' Iraqi oil- the US has never taken any country, nor expressed any interest in taking any country to get its oil. Were that true, Iraq would have been made a US state back around 1992 and Saudi Arabia and Iran would have been part of our union for a long time. If you want to see who is interested in Iraqi oil, you would have to look to Europe for the answer. Iraq sells most of its oil to places like Germany and France, which may very well explain why Germany and France are willing to let Saddam use mustard and VX gas on his fellow Iraqis, specifically, the Kurds. After all, the Germans have gassed people before - even their own citizens, so should we be shocked to find out that Germans are willing to turn the other cheek while more people get gassed by an evil dictator? And the French have willingly sided with the Germans who gassed Jews and dissenters and experimented or conducted vivisections on living people in order to save their own sorry French butts. Remember Vichy France, so willing to sell even their own kin down the line to be loaded onto cattle cars? So I would expect a German or a Frenchman to be all for supporting Saddam Hussein in gassing Kurds and enemies of the state...particularly when Saddam Hussein's nuclear program is such a good customer for German centrifuges, employs German technicians, and particularly when Iraq buys so many French weapons. Yes indeed, the French and Germans have a lot to lose if we take out Saddam Hussein. Heck, in a few more years France and Germany will be Muslim countries anyway so it's best not to offend your own kin, right?

123 posted on 12/26/2002 10:10:38 PM PST by piasa
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To: Paradewohlstandskind
i> 8. Why can´t everbody get a good education in the richest land of the world. In Germany everbody can study everthing without paying?

You are free to stay in Germany if you like, and enjoy all the free things that Germany will provide you, at least as long as there are enough gainfully employed Germans to support your lazy carcass. Whatever you do, don't come here and try to impoverish us, too.

We know about Germany's free colleges: Mohammad Atta, the lead hijacker on 911, went to a German university along with his entire Hamburg terrorist cell. That's where they planned the attack on the US, remember? He managed to obtain a fine German degree and yet he was stupid enough to commit suicide?

Committing suicide fits right in with modern German youth... Germany always has had suicidal tendencies... we protect Germans, stupid German kids who have no recollection of life under the Nazis or life under the communists, stupid German kids who think they know better than their parents, who think the Russians would have been good masters; stupid German kids who have conveniently forgot that their marxist idols killed more people than even Hitler did, and continue to kill people today. Stupid German kids who think that there was a serious difference between communism and socialism when both filthy, murderous ideologies are just two sides of the same point on a badly drawn political graph.

Universities cost money to run, don't you know that? Where does the money come from that supports a 'free' university, pays its professors, houses its students? Don't you know that it all STOLEN? The money is STOLEN from those who worked hard to EARN it, stolen from those to whom it belongs, and is given to those to whom it does not belong and who don't deserve it. It is taken by threat of force and violence and fear, as all taxes that are used for the redistribution of wealth are. If you don't pay those unjust taxes, your earnings will be taken at the point of a government gun and you will end up imprisoned. You will lose your freedom and if you fight the government thieves too hard you may even be killed, even though you are innocent and have harmed no one. Do you support this legalized theft? Do you believe you have a right to STEAL or a right to use government to STEAL for you?

Everyone who goes to school but does not pay their entire tuition through their own labor is a THIEF and a PARASITE. It's hard to believe that Germany produced Martin Luther when so many Germans act like unethical bloodsucking ticks and fleas...driving their best and brightest overseas to other countries where they won't be sucked dry.

Why do Europeans think first of American 'wealth' but never of why we are so wealthy? Why do they act so insanely jealous of what Americans have yet do not seek to emulate what we do so as to get such weatlh for themselves? why do Europeans fall for the old marxist nonsense about a finite amount of wealth when the US proves, and common sense proves, that wealth is not finite at all and can be created? Why do Europeans assume that 'land of the free' means 'land of the freebies' and not 'land of liberty?' Europeans talk jealously about American wealth while they sit on their butts half the year on their mandatory vacations, doing nothing useful because they aren't ALLOWED to work more hours even if they wanted to, and not all those who want jobs can get them because unemployment is so high simply because economic growth has been smothered by ridiculously high taxes, which hurt everyone?

America is still wealthy because so far, not everything is free and we still have something resembling a work ethic. We could be much wealthier than we are if more Americans believed in keeping only what they earn and taking nothing they did not. We would be much better off and much wealthier if we could convince the parasites to move to Europe where they could go to college free. You would welcome them, right? You can have them ALL. Each and every one is yours if you can only convince them to move there; then you can see exactly why you don't want more people who need you to provide them a free education. Please take them, please take them all! Send us all those employed people your thieving government steals from. We will welcome them. But keep those folks who need 'free education' because if you give a bottomfeeder a diploma, he is still a bottomfeeder.

By the way, what in the heck does free college have to do with terrorism and war?

124 posted on 12/26/2002 11:25:15 PM PST by piasa
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