The Myth of the Second Amendment

Massachusetts ACLU ^ | 12/02

[IronJack]

So the "Civil Liberties" in the ACLU's name are confined only to LIBERAL "liberties," eh? If this doesn't prove to its defenders that that group is nothing but a communist front, then they are beyond redemption. Some people need to be educated at the point of a sword.

[Djarum]

Q What writings of the founders support your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment?

A None.

[jmc813]

Here's the feedback I sent them:

I recently read a position statement regarding the second amendment on the web site of the Massachusetts chapter of the ACLU (http://www.aclu-mass.org/archives/2ndamend.html). I found their position to be very disturbing, and am particularly alarmed by the assertion in the last paragraph that the national chapter agrees with their position.

Could you please cofirm or deny if this statement is indeed true? If so, I will be deeply disapointed and my contributions to the New Jersey chapter of your organization will be halted. Thank you for your attention in this matter.

[Noumenon]

Oh well. We'll settle this and many other issues in the next American Civil War. Remember one of the primary lessons of the Twentieth Century:

1A. Refuse gun registration.
1B. Resist gun confiscation.
1C. Hunt down and kill the ones who send the confiscators.

Without mercy. Without remorse.

[Abcdefg]

"The Founders left gun control under the exclusive jurisdiction of the state."

If that was so, they also left all the other enumerated rights up to the states. I don't believe it.
Rights are derived from our creator, not from any state or union of states.

[Noumenon]

Write all you like. They don't care and they're not listening to you or me. 'Romanian term limits' is what it will come to in the end.

[jmc813]

Well after some searching on the site of the National ACLU, I found this:

http://www.aclu.org/PolicePractices/PolicePractices.cfm?ID=9621&c=25&Type=s

The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. We believe that the Constitution contains no barriers to reasonable regulations of gun ownership

I, for one, am shocked. I've defended the ACLU on several occasions here on FR, but you can now officially consider me an opponent of theirs. Granted, I still agree with them on several issues, but I simply cannot support an organization that claims to defend the constitution, but then picks and chooses which amendments it defends.

[mikrofon]

There was much more clarity and common sense in your posts than in that entire spiel from the ACLU. It is obvious that the Bill of Rights in other areas distinguishes between the "people" and a "State", and does not refer to states' entitlements in 2A.

The American Certain Liberties Union reveals their agenda, and it has little to do with promoting liberty...

[Djarum]

A Letter to the ACLU

[jmc813]

In the italicized quote above I also meant to include the fact that they have no problem with registration.

[Keith]

Amazing...The AOCCLU...The American Only Certain Civil Liberties Union...hard to believe.

[Remedy]

Is that the only reason you don't want the judges IMPEACHED!

[Hacksaw]

I would love to hear the Libertarian party supporters of the ACLU comment on this.

[river rat]

There must be more in the water in Massachusetts besides the drowned girl friends of liberal Democrat Senators.

It appears the state is inhabited by womanizing Senators, Homosexual Priests and communist fringe groups.

Semper Fi

[Abcdefg]

I don't care if those "judges" are impeached or shot. I have no power over them nor they over me.

[groanup]

Only militias huh?

http://www.shadeslanding.com/firearms/unabridged.2nd.html

[ml/nj]

The "State's Rights" interpretation of the 2nd is just sophistry by disputants who know that their possition is not tenable. If we take that possition seriously, such questions as, "May Louisiana have its own nuclear armed warplanes, under the 2nd Amemdment?

Actually, I didn't raise any "State's Rights" issues.

The 2nd Amendment guarantees a right to the people.

Your argument here is interesting though, because all the gun-grabbers seem to say the the "militia" refers only to the States. Which is it?

And BTW the argument about States haveing there own nuclear arsenals is a straw dog. The Nation Guard is a State instituion, and so far as I know they are not restrcited even by the looney left.

ML/NJ

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

They can't in Rhode Island. No one can be.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...It appears the state is inhabited by womanizing Senators, Homosexual Priests and communist fringe groups...

And those are the good guys.

[jmc813]

I consider myself a small-l libertarian and have issues with the party and have had some big disagreements with you in the past especially regarding the drug war.

That said, please see my posts above.