To: Tony Niar Brain
Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Unlike Lott Byrd was not reminicing about good ole days.
Story from Drudge below:
Byrd, who early in his career was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, used the term on FOX NEWS SUNDAY when asked about the state of race relations in America by host Tony Snow.
"They are much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime," Byrd said. "I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that." Then Byrd warned: "There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time; I'm going to use that word.
"We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much."
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To: Bluntpoint
Still Jesse and the race pimps say Byrd use of that word is just as bad as what Lott said.
CENSURE HIM FOR IT!-What is good for the goose..
27 posted on
12/18/2002 6:51:18 AM PST by
ewing
To: Bluntpoint
Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Unlike Lott Byrd was not reminicing about good ole days. White-n****r doesn't harken back to the "good ol' days?"
Lott was not reminiscing. He was honoring a friend with an off-the-cuff comment. Fact is, if Thurmond had held his present views in 1948 we would've been better off. There's no question about that.
I'm no fan of Lott. I've wanted him gone since he squished on impeachment. But this is a witchhunt, plain and simple.
To: Bluntpoint
Lott is politically stupid and I think he should resign but his comments were an inept attempt to praise Thurmond. They did not exactly tout the good old days, they were too murky and insensitive. Byrd's comments were also extremely inept and actually quite personally insulting. Neither man, however, should be censured for their comments. Neither man also deserves a leadership position.
To: Bluntpoint
Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. No, he's not. He's demanding equal treatment for both parties (not that we think he'll really get it). You know Byrd's true intent about as well as Jesse knows Lott's true intent.
38 posted on
12/18/2002 6:55:08 AM PST by
Coop
To: Bluntpoint
What Lott said was worse. In saying there were white n---s, he was saying the worst of the whites are like blacks.
39 posted on
12/18/2002 6:55:49 AM PST by
NYlurker
To: Bluntpoint
It was a racist comment. He was not supporting segregation, but it was a racist comment and everyone ignored it.
To: Bluntpoint
It doesn't matter. This muddies the issue and puts racial insensitivity back for the Democrats to defent. Lott's comments, if taken at face value and extrapolated to the logical conclusion contain worse substance than that of Byrd's. But . . . racial politics has some definite taboos and the biggest is the N-word.
To: Bluntpoint
Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Unlike Lott Byrd was not reminicing about good ole days. Boy, your hatred for Lott has now tainted your ability to see the obvious.
When he said, "There are white niggers," Byrd was clearly implying that their are also "black niggers." So his remarks, in view of Lott's rather benign remarks, are far more grievous.
66 posted on
12/18/2002 7:05:03 AM PST by
A2J
To: Bluntpoint
Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Unlike Lott Byrd was not reminicing about good ole days.
Excuse me, but just how in the hell do you
know that?
(excerpted from the Walter Williams article:)
During World War II, ex-Ku Klux Klansman, now U.S. senator, Robert Byrd vowed never to fight "with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
Just a couple of years ago, Byrd lectured us on the floor of the Senate that "there are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time." I wonder whether he was talking about whites who act like blacks.
Walter Williams, one of the smartest men in America today, who also happens to be black, doesn't take Byrd's comments the way you do.
Walter Williams Article
To: Bluntpoint
Oh, I see by your comments you support Byrd and the Klan.
To: Bluntpoint
"We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much." Byrd, being an ex-Klansman who wanted blacks killed, used the "n" word.
Many people have lost their jobs throughout the country for less than that. "Niggerdly" means stingy, but an elected "lower" citizen used it when talking about a budget, and lost his job because of black outrage. The NAACP made sure of it!!!.
I believe a teacher was aslo "censured" because a student was "affended" when the teacher used the word "oreo" to describe something in a class lesson!!
When it comes to Lott, he didn't actually say what part of Stroms past he was praising. It could have been he was praising him for being against taxes when he ran for president. Here, the NAACP and all, are "divining his intent."
Byrds intent was clear. He wanted blacks dead. If the black caucas can condemn a praise for a segragationist act 50 years ago, they shouldn't let Byrd slide for what he did 50 years ago either.
1948 Republican segragationist = bad.
1948 Democrat KKK member = good?
To: Bluntpoint
Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. BULLPUCKEY!!! Byrd is being intellectually dishonest by not coming to Lott's aid. Byrd has been utterly silent. If he really believed "we talk about race too much" then he'd denounce the witch hunt for Lott.
Fight fire with fire, I say.
To: Bluntpoint
While it may be true that Lott's and Byrd's comments aren't logically equivalent, I think they are perceptionally equivalent. After all, who do you think actually has had the most lifetime effect as a racist, good ole boy Trent or Ku Kluxer Byrd?
To: Bluntpoint
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Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Unlike Lott Byrd was not reminicing about good ole days.
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Uh-Huh. And I am so sure that a republican politician, ANY republican polition, if he had said verbatim what Byrd did, would just get a free pass, too. Right?
You think we were born yesterday?!?
To: Bluntpoint
Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Unlike Lott Byrd was not reminicing about good ole days. I am too lazy to look it up, but was Byrd around in the good ole days when they were arguing Civil Rights legislation? If so, how did he vote?
To: Bluntpoint
Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Oh, I get it now (smacking head with palm), it is ok, because he describes the "bad" whites and blacks as....as what?
So, in his words, good blacks and whites, they are OK, but bad ones, well they are just a bunch of niggers? And that is not racist? So Byrd gets a pass? As opposed to Lott's (shudder) comments?
To: Bluntpoint
Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Unlike Lott Byrd was not reminicing about good ole days. Of course he was. Byrd's were far worse and direct in their political and racial cleansing intent.
To: Bluntpoint
Oh, and Lott could very well point to the fact that desegregation was mismanaged and ridiculously kosherising the south through PC cleansings, and made blacks suffer.
What happened then was throwing the baby with the bathwater. While I believe Lott is political cleansing consumate jerk who is racist, it's not like there is no argument in what Lott was saying, as opposed to those uttering janitorial cleansing terms such as "white ni**er".
To: Bluntpoint
To say that there are "white n****rs" is to say there are "black n****rs" and today that is simply an unacceptable thing to say, unless, of course, you are black, like Clinton.
To: Bluntpoint
Actually McConnell is being intellectual dishonest comparing Lott and Byrds comments. Byrd was basically saying there are good whites and blacks and bad ones. Unlike Lott Byrd was not reminicing about good ole days. Byrd, who early in his career was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, used the term on FOX NEWS SUNDAY when asked about the state of race relations in America by host Tony Snow.
"They are much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime," Byrd said. "I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that." Then Byrd warned: "There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time; I'm going to use that word.
What is dishonest about comparing Byrd to Lott? IMO, what Byrd said is worse. What he seems to be thinking is that sorry white trash is as sorry as n*ggers.
His comments deserve the same scrutiny as Lott's; his apology does not deserve more acceptance than Lott's.
We have a double standard. Who should apologize for that? The Democrats or the media?
And that is my honest opinion!
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