Are we sure Lott wasn't referring to Thurmond '48 the way we think he did

http://upway.com/cgi-bin/wedg.cgi ^ | 12/11/02 | "David Phipps"

[foreverfree]

When you get to this mb, scroll down to and click on "Trent Lott/Strom Thurmond", then scroll down to the first "David Phipps" post.

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I think [Lott] was talking about the way that Truman just handed Eastern Europe, China, and Korea to the Communists. He wouldn't stand up to Stalin at the end of WWII, even though we had the manpower and the machinery to bury the USSR alive right then and there (not to mention the bomb when the Russians still didn't have it), and he wouldn't give the Chinese nationalists the help that they absolutley begged us for and then he tied MacArthur's hands in Korea and wouldn't let him do our job. If we had done those things then, we probably wouldn't have had to deal with an arms race over the next few decades which our economy (and the national debt) has never really recovered from, not to mention our current diplomatic problems with China. Not that Chiang Kai-Shek was any saint himself, but at least he considered himself an ally of the USA.

Thanks a lot, Truman.

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[foreverfree]

I don't necessarily agree with this post, but since I pasted it on another Lott-related post and got no response, I decided to give it its own thread.

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[foreverfree]

Change "way we think we do" to "way we think he did". (I'm rusty this morning) (:-)

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[MeekOneGOP]

I think that Lott just wasn't using his head, and was caught up in the moment at Thurmond's B'day party. I think he long ago moved on from the old DixieCrat thinking of segregation.

Byrd said in part, "I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, `Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white ni**ers. I've seen a lot of white ni**ers in my time. I'm going to use that word."

See this Michelle Malkin article about Robert Byrd from March 7, 2001

Former KKK Clansman,
Senator Robert Byrd…...

[2timothy3.16]

Thank you.

To many remember, or want us to remember, only that Strom Thurmond believed in seperation of the races, they would have us forget that he would have made an excellent president. That he was not a communist sympathizer, and did not have a one world government bone in his body.

Thanks again, you have helped make my day a bit brighter.

I am suprprised this didn't come from Rush first, but alas.

Now, let us hope that as Trent takes over control of the Senate, he will remember what his pals on the other side of the rug did to him.

[MeekOneGOP]

I sent the Admin Moderator a note, referring to your post #2 and your "intended" title. Perhaps they'll fix it now?.....

Thanks for the post....

[AFPhys]

When I first heard the Lott qoute, I took it as a comment about foreign affairs, not civil rights. I know Thurmons campaigned primarily on civil rights, but in the recent past, he has been far more priminent a voice regarding a strong defense.

I DO agree with you that this was the most prominent thing, and it was probably what Sen. Lott had uppermost in his mind at the time he made his off-the-cuff comments. If that is true, he started his defense in exactly the wrong manner, and exacerbated the problem.

[Francohio]

Nice going FF.

Of course this is a correct and logical response. However, the Democrats have now shaped this dicussion their way and now amount of logic or common sense will change it.

Lott, who has been a major PIA to true Republicans for years,has now been attacked viciously by those very forces he so assiduoulsy sought to placate. Good to see what it got him. Now he should shut up, and let us support him our way. No way we can let him resign. Hardball.

The Democrats are making a major play to get back the African-American vote and needed an issue to get them back to the polls. It may work. After all, a good many of these voters are too young to even know what the Cold War was about, are as functionally illiterate as most of their White contemporaries, and view all events as a function of skin color.

Suggestion to Lott. Grow some cojones. Tell the Rev. Jackson to, "... keep his mouth and trousers closed, and that I don't take political advice from blackmailers."

[mikeb704]

To many remember, or want us to remember, only that Strom Thurmond believed in seperation of the races, they would have us forget that he would have made an excellent president.

What do you mean, he would have?

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks.

[OldFriend]

Unfortunately, Rush is only as good as his talking points received from others. His education is sadly lacking and it doesn't seem he has been a student of history to better inform himself of the historical context of many of today's events.

The damage hs been done and it isn't reversible. Unfortunately, too many republicans were more anxious to make points with the republic hating media than stand up for Lott.

[ncpastor]

It doesn't matter what we think Lott meant. What matters is his profound lack of discernment in when to open his mouth and not stick his foot in. The man has been and is a liability to the GOP and Senate leadership.

[Bluntpoint]

The Dixiecrats did not separate themselves from the Democrats in 1948 based upon national defense, fiscal policy or union vs. corporate matters. Their platform was segregation. Period.



And this is what Thurmond said in a nationwide radio address on the eve of the 1948 election:

"Don't forget the so-called civil rights program would bring about the end of segregation in the South, forcing mixing of the races in our hotels, in our restaurants, in our schools, in our swimming pools and in all public places. This change in our customs is not desired by either the white or the colored race."


Remember these great words from the platform that Lott said would have changed this county for the good:

(From the Dixiecrat ballot, with Strom at the top of the ticket)

REMEMBER

A vote for Truman electors is a direct order to our Congressmen and Senators from Mississippi to vote for passage of Truman’s so-called civil-rights program in the next Congress. This means the vicious FEPC-anti poll tax-anti-lynching and anti-segregation proposals will become the law of the land and our way of life in the South will be gone forever.

See actual ballot:

I am awful at posting this stuff, but please go here and see Post 307. It is the Dixiecrat ballot.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/805214/posts?q=1&&page=301

[lavrenti]

You are mistaken, it was the neo-cons who went after Lott. Drudge headlined this story all last weekend, Rich Lowry of the National Review wrote a lot about it on the NR website and so did a number of other individuals involved in and around the GOP.

One reason was because they believed his comments were offensive, and implied worse. Another was that Lott is an umpopular character and a number of people on the Right (myself included), want him out of a leadership role in the Senate. This was the excuse everyone was looking for.

The Left only jumped on this issue by Tuesday. But the drumbeats began on the neo-con "Right."

[Bluntpoint]

Yeah. Would not it have been great if he stood up during impeachment and gave the same speech he gave at Strom's birthday party.

"This country will be much better without Clinton.........."

[zygoat]

What is the definition of "white flight"? Why is it that when I go to the mall or a sporting event that I see a section that is disproportionately black amongst the white spectators or shoppers? It is self imposed segregation,practiced by ALL races because it is normal to feel more comfortable among those most like themselves. This whole "crisis" is nothing but a fart in the wind perpetuated by dumbass democrats,thier media machine, and now ,unfortunatly, by many otherwise sane republicans.Of which I am one.But the hypocrisy of the dems galls me so bad that I think I'm gonna go get about half drunk and punch the first dem who argues with me right in the goddamn mouth.

[angkor]

too many republicans were more anxious to make points with the republic hating media than stand up for Lott.

I thought so too in the beginning of this flap, but the surprisingly harsh (and public) comments by GWB make me believe that there is really something about Lott that we (the public) don't know. I suspect that Lott has something in his background that has been hidden or kept quiet because of his longstanding position of power in DC.

On the other hand, it could merely be that GWB is as disgusted with Lott's feckless "leadership" as many of us here on FR.

What seems clear is that this would have blown over had GWB said nothing. But now Lott's position is in dire straights.

We can only guess what was behind GWB's calculation, and his obvious willingness to sink Lott's ship.

[Bluntpoint]

White flight is not state mandated. If Strom, in 1948, had been elected, blacks would have been chase and beaten out of the malls under the force of law. Those whites who chose to associate with the blacks would have been arrested, harrassed if not lynched.

Big difference.

[Bluntpoint]

"We can only guess what was behind GWB's calculation"

I would like to think it is pure, human decency.

[lavrenti]

Oh yeah, that moment in history where Trent Lott went two steps beyond redemption.

He's such a glad-handing, insincere jerk. I have no sympathy for him.

[TLBSHOW]

this is all about Abortion and has been from day one!