Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon

Is that why we got threatened with Alqaida nukes and Chinese nukes on consecutive days? Why would the Chinese make their threats themselves, but Alqaida need a third party to deliver the communique?

Resurrecting a three-year-old obscure thread is tantamount to stalking.

Not to mention teasing. This thread wasn't even revived by an insider troll. Talk about a let-down.

Ah well.

External trolls are even more easily survived.

Perhaps an information warfare coordinated attack.

The real question being led is why would this coordinated emphasis on WMD be made, unless a prelude with ulterior motives.

I have looked around my neighborhood, and I detect no Terror at this time. If the object of the articles was to produce Terror by threat alone, it seems the population has grown deaf to threats.

I agree, if those bone heads had'em, they'da used'em

I don't think it is intended to produce terror. I would be more cautious to read these as preliminary actions by seemingly disparate groups to redirect attention in the event a significant event occured in the near future. If something significant occurs, the already posted warnings would serve to distract resources from identifying a real threat or organized effort to create a maneuverable environment.

IMHO, I'd start tracking socialist leaning groups and their communications, now in order to discern who might be behind something more significant.

In the case of China, they probably don't know how this is going to break down any more than we do. I think that Iran is more sensible than they have appeared the past couple of decades. N Korea may be simply asserting their independence with the full knowledge that they can't break out but can hold out against everybody as they have for thousands of years. Alqaida, which is much smaller by itself than it seems because it has many small partners with many small objectives, is failing to set off the war between civilizations that they had hoped, Manson-like, to do. Nukes themselves have little military use, some diplomatic use, and no use at all once they are used. We are in a situation like the Peloponnesian War, but we don't know at this point who will play the part of Athens.

"I mean, who would we nuke? I know it's comforting to say we'd just nuke the Arab/Muslim world, but WOULD WE? I mean, without evidence that any of these states were linked, what would we do? Would we just nuke terrorist states like Syria and Saudi Arabia(which we needed to do anyway)? Or would we just do an Israeli-type Samson Option and nuke Islam out of existence?"

We can play, too. For instance, Saudi Arabia could be taken over with military power, so we would control the world oil market.

Europe is more dependent on oil from the arab/muslim locales. In every place where muslims reside and enjoy freedom and prosperity, they would get rolled up and put in camps. Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain, France.

Those countries would raise armies, to be on the side of survival of our way of life. I doubt Russia, China, India and Japan would bet against the US's military and economic might.

Seven nukes is a paltry arsenal, to try to disrupt the economic engine of the western democracies.

I doubt we would nuke millions of muslims. But there would be the threat.

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Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon

NOTE: This article has been pulled from the news source, but you can read it
here. Asia Times feels the article is a hoax, but there is still much of value
contained within it. Read and judge for yourself. To date, there has been no
denial of the tape's validity sent to Al-Jazeera. -Steve Quayle

November 15, 2002
By Pepe Escobar, THE ROVING EYE

At a time when a tape handed over to the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera
television station has received widespread expose for its purported
comments by Osama bin Laden in praise of recent terror events
around the world, another al-Qaeda message released to the same
station has received little coverage.

Al-Jazeera was granted an interview with one Mohammed al-Usuquf,
allegedly al-Qaeda's number three. Al-Usuquf is said to be a doctor in
physics and to hold a masters degree in international economics. A
copy of the interview was sent to the prestigious Arab-language daily
Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed.
Asia Times Online has obtained a copy of the interview, and
reproduces excerpts here, with the caveat that the identity of the man
has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al-Qaeda.

Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda's Kuwaiti spokesman, Sulaiman Abu
Ghaith, and bin Laden himself, suggested that he grant the interview.
Bin Laden, he says, is "alive and healthy, along with his commanders
Mohammed Atef, Khalid Shaik Mohammed and Mullah Omar".

Al-Usuquf starts by criticizing Washington's disrespect of the Kyoto
Protocol on climatic change, the International Criminal Court and the
Palestinian cause, as well as the "financial greed" engendering
speculative gains over Third World countries. He also criticizes the
manner in which America wastes wealth, like US$80 billion a year on
gambling. "They [have] lost the notion of spirituality and only live in
sin."

For this reason, America must be destroyed, and al-Usuquf insists that
"aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and spy satellites will be
worthless in the next war".

Al-Qaeda, according to him, has 5,000 first rank operatives and
around 20,000 all over the world. Of all the prisoners in the US, only
"20 or 30" are al-Qaeda, and all of them "second-rank". Confirming
Asia Times Online information, he swears that there are no first-rank
prisoners in Guantanamo in Cuba. Al-Usuquf says, "We have more
than 500 first-rank and 800 second-rank [operatives] inside the US."
"First rank" are considered ones that have lived in the US for more
than 10 years, most of them married with children. "They have an
idea about the plans, and they are just waiting for a call."
"Second-rank" operatives arrived in the past five years and "have no
idea about the plans". They are all willing to die.

Al-Usuquf insists that September 11 "was just the beginning. It was a
way to call the world's attention to what's going to happen." He then
details a plan to destroy the US by "attacking the heart of what they
consider the most important thing in the world: money".

"The American economy is an economy of false appearances," says
al-Usuquf. "There's no real economic weight. American GNP is
something around $10 trillion, but only 1 percent comes from
agriculture, and only 24 percent from industry. So 75 percent of its
GNP comes from services, and most of it is financial speculation. For
someone who understands economics, and apparently America's
Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill does not, or cannot, the US as a whole
behaves like an immense dot.com, and dollars are its stocks. The
value of stocks from a given company is directly proportional to its
profitability. When a company only provides services, but does not
produce goods, the value of its stocks depends on its credibility. What
I'm saying is if US credibility is affected, its stocks - the US dollar - will
fall at tremendous speed, and the whole American economy will
collapse."

Al-Usuquf is absolutely positive, "because, in a smaller scale, this is
exactly what big financial conglomerates do with Third World countries
to collect profits in one month that no Swiss bank would guarantee in
four to five years". Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda could do the same by
"provoking a deficit of $50 to 70 trillion, the equivalent to five to seven
years of the GNP of the US". How? By "destroying America's seven
largest cities and some other measures". The means? "Atomic
bombs." Al-Usuquf's most startling revelation is that the bombs "won't
be launched, they are already there". "Seven nuclear heads have
already been positioned on American soil, before September 11, and
they are ready to be detonated. Before September 11, American
security was a fiasco, and even later, if we needed, we could position
the bombs there. They arrived through seaports, as normal cargo. A
nuclear head is not bigger than a fridge, so it can easily be
camouflaged as one. Thousands of containers arrive at a seaport
every day, and even with very efficient security, it's impossible to
check and examine each one of them."

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs were bought on the black market: five
from the former USSR and two from Pakistan. The five Russian heads
"are from T-3 missiles, also known as RD-107, and their power is
around 100 kilotons each, that is five times the Hiroshima bomb. The
Pakistani ones are less powerful, something around 10 kilotons each."

Each of the Russian bombs would have cost around $200 million.
Al-Qaeda was able to raise the money "because we have many
sponsors. Many countries sponsor us, and also some very rich
people." And not all of these are Arab countries. "Some European
countries as well are also interested in the fall of the US." As to the
"rich people", they are "people who are also tired of seeing the US
bleeding the rest of the world."

And Iraq's Saddam Hussein, says Al-Usuquf, is not one of these
people, "but just a collaborator, represented by Abdul Tawab
Hawaish, his vice prime minister and responsible for Iraq's arms
program".

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs cannot be detected by US authorities.
"Even if they are old, they were modernized and are very well hidden.
Even if they were located, they have autodetonation mechanisms in
case something or someone gets close. Even an electromagnetic pulse
is not capable of deactivating them." The bombs allegedly cannot be
detected because "they are enveloped in thick layers of lead". They
could be detonated "by various methods - cellphone call, radio
frequency, seismic shock or by their regressive clock".

Al-Usuquf details the whole plan. "First, one head would be detonated,
which would cause the deaths of 800,000 to 1 million people and a
chaos never seen before. During this chaos, two or three planes,
which are now disassembled inside barns near empty roads in the US
countryside, would take off in suicide missions to pulverize another
two or three big American cities with chemicals. Once the disease was
identified, all seaports and airports would be quarantined. Land
borders would also be closed. No plane, boat or car would enter or
leave the US. This would be total chaos." The first target would be the
city "that would offer the best conditions, for example bright sky and
winds of eight or more miles an hour blowing towards the center of
the country, so radioactive dust can contaminate the largest possible
area".

This attack would not knock out the US, recognizes al-Usuquf, "But the
process would be initiated. As with the World Trade Center, it would
be just a question of time for the whole economic structure to be
turned to dust. If the objectives are reached with one bomb and
diseases, probably we will save the lives of other people, but it's risky,
and probably six more bombs will be detonated, one a week, and
more attacks with chemical weapons will be launched." According to
estimates made by al-Usuquf "and Ayman al-Zawahiri", al-Qaeda's
number 2, about 15 million people would die, victims of the bombs
and the radiation. Among those contaminated by diseases, "25
percent will die, a figure around more than 5 million, plus many others
due to the chaos and disorder".

Al-Usuquf does not fear an American military response. "Even if five or
10 cities are chosen at random to be destroyed, it will still be a small
price to pay. The problem is that the economic despair will be so great
that even if it saves [money] by not using weapons, American liquidity
will be near zero, and the US will make more money selling a
Nimitz-class aircraft carrier to Turkey or Italy for $5 billion, because
they will urgently need to recapitalize. But it will be too late.
Moreover, what will remain of an American soldier's morale to fight
knowing that his whole family died and his country ceased to exist? To
fight for what?"

The world economy would not collapse, says al-Usuquf, although "in
the beginning, it will be very difficult. But without the US the world will
soon rise in a more just and fraternal manner. Nothing can stop the
plan."

And whatever America does, "it's too late". When will the attack
begin? "I can't tell."

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