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Tom Petty Is Pissed: And he's got plenty of good reasons [well actually only one or two]

Posted on 10/25/2002 7:30:10 PM PDT by ejdrapes

Tom Petty Is Pissed

And he's got plenty of good reasons

Don't do me like that

The man who told the world "I Won't Back Down," "Don't Do Me Like That" and "Don't Come Around Here No More" doesn't need any assertiveness-training course. Tom Petty's determined, sometimes defiant attitude has collided with the music business throughout the years. For instance, in 1982 Petty recorded Hard Promises with the Heartbreakers, only to find that his then-record company had plans to use his name to initiate a new, higher $9.98 list price for albums. Petty withheld the tapes and threatened to retitle his record $8.98 in protest. That same spirit is alive and well on Petty's latest album, The Last DJ, which takes a hard look at the lack of moral grounding in the music business. The title track has kicked up considerable controversy, with some radio stations seeing the song as a slap in the face and banning it. But Petty is not just biting the hand that feeds him. Music is only the beginning of what's pissing him off these days. "The Last DJ is a story about morals more than the music business," he says. "It's really about vanishing personal freedoms."

1 Radio is not even worth listening to "I don't really give a flying fuck about any of it. I've tuned out. But I was elated when my song was banned. I mean, nothing could have complimented me more than to hear they just banned it at such-and-such a station because it's anti-radio. Now, in 2002 to have a song banned that doesn't have a dirty word, doesn't advocate violence -- it's fascinating, you know. Like, what are you afraid of? No record has ever been made that was more pro-radio, you know.

"I remember when the radio meant something. We enjoyed the people who were on it, even if we hated them. They had personalities. They were people of taste, who we trusted. And I see that vanishing. I thought it was a good metaphor to start the album."

2 All anyone thinks about is money "You don't hear any more of, 'Hey, we did something creative and we turned a profit, how about that?' Everywhere we look, we want to make the most money possible. This is a dangerous, corrupt notion. That's where you see the advent of programming on the radio, and radio research, all these silly things. That has made pop music what it is today. Everything -- morals, truth -- is all going out the window in favor of profit.

"I don't think it's a good attitude in your life to feel that you have to be rich to have self-esteem. You know, I saw a billboard in New York I wish I had photographed. It was for the TNN network. It said three words against a patriotic background of red, white and blue - BIGGER, YOUNGER, RICHER. Now, I find that fascinating: 'Bigger, younger, richer.' This whole idea of being wealthy has gone too far. I never ride in a limousine, you know. I feel gross if I get in a limousine. One good thing about the Sixties was it sort of was the opposite back then. You looked silly trying to appear rich."

3 It's ridiculous to make people pay twenty dollars for a CD "It's funny how the music industry is enraged about the Internet and the way things are copied without being paid for. But you know why people steal the music? Because they can't afford the music. I'm not condoning downloading music for free. I don't think that's really fair, but I understand it. If you brought CD prices back down to $8.98, you would solve a lot of the industry's problems. You are already seeing it a little -- the White Stripes albums selling for $9.99. Everyone still makes a healthy profit; it might get the music business back on its feet."

4 Only a complete greedhead would charge $150 for a concert ticket "My top price is about sixty-five dollars, and I turn a very healthy profit on that; I make millions on the road. I see no reason to bring the price up, even though I have heard many an anxious promoter say, 'We could charge 150 bucks for this.' I would like to do this again and maybe come through and not leave a bad taste in people's mouths. I was at one of our gigs recently, and I was just stunned driving in that it cost thirty dollars to park your car. It's so wrong to say, 'OK, we've got them on the ticket and we've got them on the beer and we've got on everything else, let's get them on the damn parking.' You got to care about the person you're dealing with."

5 Record labels don't care about artists "An act like ours wouldn't even be around today if someone hadn't brought us along and let us make mistakes and grow at our own pace. Today it seems that if you don't have a hit -- or even if you do -- they have no use for you the next time. It's like, 'Well, why wait for these guys to come back with another hit when we can bring in somebody else?' It's an asinine way to conduct yourself. These people are looking at balance sheets, not music. Most people involved in putting this music on the air or bringing it to us aren't really listening to it."

6 Filthy lyrics make me sick "I'm frustrated by what I hear. Maybe it's not meant for me. Personally, I'm way too bright for a lot of the hip-hop lyrics to affect. I'm much too smart to think that jewelry or how cool I am is really going to change much about my personality. If you're dumb enough that it entertains you, have a great time. But I am seeking more than that.

"When I was a young rock & roll star, I was really fascinated and shocked at times by the power that I had, by the power of my words, and shocked that it can be taken wrong. I don't believe in censorship, but I do believe that an artist has to take some moral responsibility for what he or she is putting out there. And I think a lot of these young kids are going to have to learn the hard way before they realize that you can actually do some damage if you're being careless or frivolous in what you're saying."

7 Only a sick culture would sexualize young girls "It's disgusting. It's not just pop music, it's fashion, it's TV, it's advertising, it's every element of our culture. Young women are not being respected, children aren't being respected. Why are we creating a nation of child molesters? Could it be that we're dressing up nine-year-old women to look sexy? And even if we're wrong, let's not do it anyway. I really don't put it past these advertising people to say, 'Well, look, we made a lot of money when we brought the nine-year-old out and made her look like a hooker. Let's do it again.' "

8 Why are we rewarding people for being rich? "Getting back to the whole issue of ticket prices: We don't do the Golden Circle/VIP thing. I don't see how carving out the best seats and charging a lot more for them has anything to do with rock & roll. A lot of the time, some corporation's bought up these seats with someone's money who doesn't even know it's being spent -- and they are going to use it to entertain clients. A lot of the people who buy these seats don't give a damn about the music -- they're going to get a waiter. What you see from the stage is a group of people just talking to each other, not really interested in being there at all. And the poor guy who really is interested, he's sitting way in the back."

9 And TV is worse "I think television's become a downright dangerous thing. It has no moral barometer whatsoever. If you want to talk about something that is all about money, just watch the television. It's damn dangerous. TV does not care about you or what happens to you. It's downright bad for your health now, and that's not a far-out concept. I think watching the TV news is bad for you. It is bad for your physical health and your mental health. The music business looks like, you know, innocent schoolboys compared to the TV business. They care about nothing but profit. They will make a movie about murdering their kids, you know? And they'll put the guy who killed them on TV. And before long, he might even have his own show."

10 A lot of artists are as greedy as the industry "Let me say this so it's definitely in the story: I don't think the industry is entirely to blame. Let's face it: The music industry has always been laughably corrupt, always. It's the artists themselves that often cause problems. Artists aren't necessarily business people. And they aren't neces-sarily aware of all the things that go on in their names. Some just want to make some music, but there is a lot of greed among artists as well. Whether or not we know it, we are all to blame. I think it's time -- starting with the artist -- to try to be a little more responsible and aware of what goes on in our name."


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Found this on a newsgroup...don't have a source for it...
1 posted on 10/25/2002 7:30:10 PM PDT by ejdrapes
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To: ejdrapes
Good tunes
2 posted on 10/25/2002 7:48:20 PM PDT by freedom9
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To: ejdrapes
Thanks for posting it. It is an interesting article. Tom Petty addresses so many issues that it's hard to respond to just one.

CD prices are indeed too high for a lot of teenaged kids' budgets.

Despite my efforts to educate my middle school students about copyright laws, virtually all of my kids regularly download song files from the internet and burn the digital recordings onto CDs.

When they have a choice between spending seventeen dollars or virtually nothing for the music they want, they do what makes sense to them.

They do not yet have the foresight to figure out the eventual consequences of the wholesale disregard for intellectual property rights.

I hope the recording industry, as Tom suggested, will try pricing albums more reasonably so the temptation to download and burn will be less enticing.
3 posted on 10/25/2002 7:50:23 PM PDT by Morose Musician
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To: ejdrapes
Screw Tom Petty......he's a freakin liberal.


4 posted on 10/25/2002 7:52:34 PM PDT by Dallas
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To: ejdrapes
Petty may be a liberal, but his statements here are very good.
5 posted on 10/25/2002 8:00:43 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: ejdrapes
You know, I saw a billboard in New York I wish I had photographed. It was for the TNN network. It said three words against a patriotic background of red, white and blue - BIGGER, YOUNGER, RICHER.

FWIW, I'm guessing this was targeted at advertisers, after Viacom/MTV Networks took over TNN and ruined it, changing it from the only major channel for rural Americans, into some weird pseudo-yuppie channel.

6 posted on 10/25/2002 8:02:37 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Dallas
Petty suckered by Gore's phony Populism.
7 posted on 10/25/2002 8:04:03 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: Rocko
Petty is a great AMERICAN Rock&Roller. Two Guitars bass and drums. Two great sounding guitars I might add. Seen him live 10x's at least. Great shows, good guy. I love that Rock & Roll.

Al Bore does suck though.

Maybe Marilyn Manson is more the conservative,,,

8 posted on 10/25/2002 8:16:17 PM PDT by Afronaut
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To: ejdrapes
Hey Petty was cool as a Traveling Wilbury, so we better handle him with care, even if he's a flaming liberal.
9 posted on 10/25/2002 8:19:09 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Petty may be a liberal, but his statements here are very good.

A few of them are pretty good, such as his stance against hip-hop lyrics and sexualizing young girls. However, his profit-phobia is kind of silly.

10 posted on 10/25/2002 8:27:09 PM PDT by timm22
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To: ejdrapes
As the owner of a small record label dedicated to brass, jazz, and blues music I'd like to know - given the current market - what really is a fair price for a CD?

I don't want to cheapen it. Good recorded music has an inherent value. For the price of a decent dinner one can enjoy a good recording for years and years. While the costs for pressing a CD are very low, the price for promoting a CD is very high. And the sweat and passion that goes into it . . . well . . . it's worth something.

So how do we set the price? $8.95? Really? Is that the key?

11 posted on 10/25/2002 8:40:57 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
So how do we set the price? $8.95? Really? Is that the key?

Even on ebay where I have gotten some hard to find used disks I'm paying $10 or more + shipping. I don't know what a fair price could be, but $17 is pretty steep when you consider most of the disks I buy are just digital versions I've already got on vinyl. New music, forget it, it's not worth it.

Bottom line, I'd say $10 or $11 is reasonable, I know you have to make money so the music industry are the ones who should come down in price.

12 posted on 10/25/2002 8:48:04 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: ejdrapes
In this world of pissant sucky music, one of my few pleasures is listening to Mr. Tom Petty's music. I was saddened to see the photogs of him with Gore. But then again, I had my photog take with Dale Earnhardt without his permission. Maybe Algore horned in for a photo op with Tom! Maybe Tom told him "don't come around here no more".
13 posted on 10/25/2002 9:02:51 PM PDT by giznort
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To: giznort; Afronaut; ejdrapes
Not the case at all...that was a party for Algore thrown by all his celeb buddies, including Tom Petty, if memory serves. No one was tricked into being there, unless you are counting the delusion of socialism.

Look, I can see why any shred of apparent morality on the part of a celebrity appeals to us. But you have to look at the reasons he is saying these things. He does not want to lower cd prices because he thinks the Music cartel is unfairly monopolistic; it is just his way of reliving the 60's and expressing a general hatred of money (except when it pours in to him).

""You don't hear any more of, 'Hey, we did something creative and we turned a profit, how about that?'"

You know, the Beatles explicitly had a profit motive behind a lot of their music, (as in, "oy, paul, let's write us a new pool"). Once again, it is not the profit motive that is the evil; it is the desire to gain such a profit without producing anything of value.

"Maybe Marilyn Manson is more the conservative,,,"

Probably not, but at least Manson votes Republican.
14 posted on 10/25/2002 10:24:00 PM PDT by Lizard_King
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I own hundreds of CD's, and in the last two years, I've bought next to none. I got good and damned tired of paying nearly 20.00 for a CD with maybe two decent singles on it. And if you like a single, you can't by it for less than 5.99 or so. I've got euro-groups whose entire albums are great. From beginning to end. It seems like here in the American industry anymore, they find a couple of tunes in a new artists material that sound like decent radio singles, promote the hell out of them, and then when you buy the album, you find out the others songs sound completely different, and all too often, the song that made the charts isn't even one the artist wanted on the album to begin with. Look at the Rembrandts and Duncan Shiek's first album. I'm sorry, but until I can listen to a CD ahead of time and find out whether it's got more than one decent song on it, and until I can buy a CD for 9.99, I'm not buying another one. Not when I can download it and listen too it first. I think that's the real bitch that the RIAA has with mp3's. You can now see what kind of crap they're peddling in it's entirety before they can bamboozle you into buying it.
15 posted on 10/25/2002 10:24:31 PM PDT by TheLurkerX
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To: freedom9
Free falling bump
16 posted on 10/25/2002 10:27:13 PM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: Dallas
Maybe at the time no one had presented the Republican Platform to him for him to compare and say, "Hey, I think I am a Republican." Its about education.
17 posted on 10/25/2002 10:27:32 PM PDT by zeaal
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To: TheLurkerX
Exactly. Department stores let you try on clothes before buying them. Computer stores let you fiddle with the pc before buying. Yet the recording industry expects you to buy cds without hearing what's on them and then not accepting returns on opened cds???
18 posted on 10/25/2002 10:38:32 PM PDT by College Repub
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To: zeaal
Nahhh...Tom Petty, and Bon Jovi had their lips firmly planted on OwlGore's ass all during the 2000 election cycle.......screw em.
19 posted on 10/25/2002 10:39:51 PM PDT by Dallas
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To: Fester Chugabrew
As the owner of a small record label dedicated to brass, jazz, and blues music I'd like to know - given the current market - what really is a fair price for a CD?

I was one of the early-adopters of CD's in the mid 80's, back when the CD rack (yes, one SMALL rack) was dwarfed by vinyl and cassettes. $10.99 was the highest price for a single CD and most were $8.99 and $9.99. That was kind of high for the day, but then there were only 2 or 3 places in the country could make CD's. But the quality was much better than the alternatives, so I payed it. Now it costs pennies to make and package one, and they charge twice as much.

When CD's started costing me $16, $17 and $18 I quit buying them. I bought quite a few of the 3" CD's because I wasn't going to spend close to $20 for one good song and 10 tracks of over-produced crap, but the small CD's are hard to find for the music I want. I do download and burn my own CD's, but it's almost exclusively older stuff that I baught on cassette years ago and have since worn-out.

I'll still buy an occasional CD...but it has to be a damn good CD for what the industry is charging. Napster and all of it's bastard step-children have the potential to really revolutionize the distribution end of music. Keep the charge per track reasonable and everyone wins. The consumer gets just the music they want at a fair price without paying for pretty packaging and retail mark-ups, and the industry can completely eliminate the money they spend on cranking out the CD's, packaging them, shipping, loss to defects and damage in transit...we're talking about a lot of money!

20 posted on 10/25/2002 10:43:37 PM PDT by Orangedog
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